Coronavirus 'fearmongering'.

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Coronavirus is the authoritarian collectivist's wet dream. Quarantines make a great excuse for and way to hide all sorts of corruption, as well as the silencing and dissapearing of dissenters- just call them 'infected'. It paves the way for mandatory vaccinations and other medical tyranny that would never be tolerated without the perception of a public emergency. And it has the added bonus of killing off all those pesky pensioners that built the socialism that can no longer afford the rediculous wages that it promised them in exchange for their votes.

    All that is a lot harder to accomplish if the virus is contained.

    TBC- I'm not saying its a hoax. I'm preparing for a full blown pandemic. But I'm also preparing for the establishment to use the emergency to reorganize, regroup and consolidate power.

    The next few months will be very dangerous and confusing.

    Do you think this new threat is natural or engineered?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My wife has a theory that is based on the fact the Chinese openly hate Trump because he is unpredictable and a liability to them while he is in office. She thinks they formulated and allowed to escape from their labs in an effort to upset the world economy thus creating a huge problem for the US capital markets which could reflect on Trumps economy. I tell her she is overthinking this but the more I see, maybe she is on to something.
    Regardless, it proves Trump in his comments about becoming free of so much Chinese dependence is 100% correct.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is devastating their economy. But if they thought their command and control structure could make it less devasting to their economy, ultimately, than ours, they would find that sacrifice acceptable in the end.

    And by loosing it upon themselves first, it protects them from the perception of the virus having been used as an attack.

    Its also noteworthy that China has cited one of its largest economic impediments as too many people. Killing off large amounts of the weak and the elderly is precisely the sort of economic policy that the ruthless logic of collective authoritarianism produces.
     
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    A virus is a virus is a virus regardless of origin, be it bat soup or Red commie soup.

    I'm just glad that this is a mild virus and that it doesn't produce what the polio virus produced in the human body.
     
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    Add to that, the Chinese leadership could care less about the loss of a few thousand lives AND do not be too surprised if the Chinese themselves magically produce a vaccine that counteracts this virus somewhere down the line.
    Far out? Maybe.
     
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    Ah, another conspiracy brewing thread. Predictable.

    I'm not a biologist, but I'm fairly certain that if Covid 19 were "manufactured", there would be telltale signs in the genome of the virus that would reveal as much. And if that were the case, don't you think the Trump administration would use that to their advantage?

    Now the OP seems to hint at the fear of this pandemic creating a situation that may call for martial law. Hmmm, that's interesting. You do realize then that it would be Trump that would declare martial law. Are you fine with that?
     
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    Sure, if the Chinese would actually be capable of engineering a virus to hurt Trump, they'd sure have released it in one of their large cities instead of the US. they must take so much joy in killing their own economy, instead of Trump's magic US economy.

    You should actually be grateful to China that they took the draconian step to lock down a large metropolitan area. That action alone has slowed the virus spread enough so that the US will have a chance to react.

    Do we have the guts to take similar action? Or will we always stay a step behind the virus, watching it spread throughout the US? I don't think we have the guts. We'd rather risk 100,000s of lives over impeding the ability of people to make profit. The free market at its best....
     
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    I didn't say the Chinese did that but I find it very plausible.
    Do I believe any of the numbers coming out if China? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    As for their concern for life? Give me a break.
    As for the temporary damage to their economy? They look 100 years into the future not 100 days like the rest of the world.
    As for your last few sentences? If Trump took a kneejerk reaction like that just guess what the press would be saying let alone the leftie wacko's of forums.
     
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    Washington state reporting it's 10th death from coronavirus.
     
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    California reporting it's first death from coronavirus.
     
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    Well sars 1 and 2 were not subject to vaccines . This new novel virus is related to sars. So probably no effective vaccine.

    People I trust say it is an engineered virus but in developmental stage or designed to take out the sick and or aged. Most viruses like the flu virus kills the very young and old. So this one was engineered to target the old and non contributors to work. Gets rid of the dross .

    But imo if engineered it was not introduced on purpose but escaped .

    That people can carry it for weeks without symptoms is perfect for its spread. . And when has china ever went on forced quarantine over a virus They knew how contagious it was due to it being engineered. And china lies and understates its numbers in infection and death rates .

    I dont recall schools ever being shut down from just the yearly flu except in a few spots. So this isnt the flu.

    If a bio weapon this will go around the world 3 times before it fades away. And it could mutate making it even more dangerous. And effective

    Until we get a consensus that it is not engineered I will trust those very intelligent people who say it has the hallmarks of being engineered. As most "novel" contagions are .
     
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    The deadly spanish flu that was more like corona instead of the flu was mild early on but ended up during the cycle of being the worst flu like virus in modern history . Imo it is too early to draw conclusions.

    And the world isnt treating this novel virus like just a case of the flu .

    I will be very happy later on if I am over reacting. Yet better safe than sorry . I am less dangerous to others than those that tend to deny. Those people get others killed.
     
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    Both. The virus is real as are the deaths it has caused. The panic about a virus that is similar to influenza is engineered. Influenza appears to be more dangerous than covid19.
     
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    Becoming dependent on china while disemboweling our nation of working people was created by simple greed of the elites. And it was simple insanity that destroyed what the common sense of our founders put into place in not being self sufficient as possible. Plus we created the rise of our natural enemy ...the communist state .

    The kind of capitalism that would do this is the most destructive form of capitalism . It has literally destroyed our republic and replaced it with something that looks like oligarchy
     
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    If it is less dangerous than the flu why is china risking their economy by quarantine that is forced?

    What is happening witg wiwith these quarantines is incoherent with your position . Perhaps china is right given their actions while you are wrong?

    If this virus is as you say it would be treated like the flu that you say is more dangerous. Sounds just a bit like nonsense to me.
     
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    I doubt this admin while be able to use this to build walls, mandate vaccines or quarantine people like China has

    but I could see this admin caring less about the prisoners, not thinking that employees have to work there too (or not caring)
     
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    I think the reality is, this first wave won't be as bad as people think could be, but it could mutate in the years to come... I will take the vaccine when avail

    in fact, I think many many more people have already caught it, just do not know it as were healthy individuals that fought it off same as flu

    I would not go to the doctor unless very sick, I am sure most are like me.. and if went in, how many doctors would test, could they even test
     
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    Nope. I never inferred that the Trump admin was immune to the temptations of authoritarianism that such a crisis would instill. I think and hope he's not, but I won't count on it. I wouldn't regardless who it is.

    Martial law may be warranted. But even if we get to the point that I think it is, I will not be 'fine with that'.
     
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    Prisoners? What do you mean?
     
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    they can get coronavirus to, will they have appropriate testing and care, would one be more likely to die if caught it in prison?

    the op brought up prisons and governments trying to get rid of them is why I responded about them
     
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    The death rate in China is about the same as that of the flu or so I understand it.
     
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    Iran has released a statement that corona is a bioweapon.
     
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    I think it is somewhat likely the Chinese accidentally released the virus and are covering up their mistake.
     
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    the death rate is higher, but hard tell for sure accurate as no way to know if more cases than reported, deaths are easier to confirm

    flu is .1% and Corona is about 2% if I recall correctly
     

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