Coronavirus now leading cause of death in US

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  1. Josephwalker

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    I sourced my claim.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and I have explained how and why your source doesn't support your claim.
     
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    No you gave an alternative position completely ignoring my source which quoted the whitehouse corona task force.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't ignore the source at all. I explained the context - that she was addressing the concern that deaths were being under-reported.
     
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    She explained how they were being recorded which was exactly as I said they were
     
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    Hmmm...I certainly have taken a myriad of those and other class types :) This is how I know the hate groups infiltrated The Tea Party.
     
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    Yes, she was explained that if someone dies with Covid-19 then the cause of death is Covid-19. She is not (as you mistakenly think) saying that anyone and everyone with Covid-19 is counted.

    What she IS saying, is that unlike "some countries" if someone goes to the ICU with Covid-19 and dies, that death is not being mistakenly attributed to any underlying condition they might have. Instead, it is correctly attributed to Covid-19. This should be patently clear from the quote that you yourself have posted:

    There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.

    Which is why Fauci follows up by saying, "I can't imagine if someone with coronavirus goes to an ICU and they have an underlying heart condition and they die, they're going to say cause of death: heart attack".

    And again, this is underpinned by death certification whereby the cause of death must be the actual cause of death. If Covid-19 was not the cause of death it cannot be given as such.
     
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    There was no infiltration. The media tagged every hate group with the “Tea Party” label because the media hated the Tea Party’s message of small government.
     
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    I will remember that claim when I furnish the proof later.
     
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    He also ignores that the KKK comes from the Democrat party, including Senator Byrd. Klan member David Duke tried to run as a Republican but the Republicans rejected him. Democrats openly embraced Byrd, though.

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    I love how you ignore context and rewrite history.
     
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    IMG-20200414-WA0012.jpeg IMG-20200414-WA0014.jpeg Just cooking and relaxing tonight.
     
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    Yesterday the US reported it's most deaths in a single day yet at 2,407.

    According to hospital officials, doctors, public health experts and medical examiners, we are under reporting the overall number of deaths from the coronavirus. It is quite probable that this virus is actually killing more Americans than 9/11 every day
     
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    Hilarious.
     
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    Whether it's correct to attribute all deaths of those diagnosed with covid to covid even if the person has a heart attack is not the issue I brought up. I merely stated that's how it's being done and my link proved that and you by defending that method are agreeing with my initial comment on the subject.
    Some other countries are not using this method which of course lowers their mortality rate.
     
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    You stated that you believe that if someone has Covid-19 and dies from something else (e.g. a heat attack) then the cause of death is listed as Covid-19 even though they died from something else.

    For example, you said this:
    In support of your theory, you cited a quote by Dr. Birx which you erronenously believe supports that theory.

    As I explained, it does not.

    By pointing this out to you - as well as other reasons why your theory is not based in fact - I am, in fact, disputing and disproving your theory (as laid out in your initial post and thereafter), and not at any point or in any way defending it.

    Baffling how you think otherwise.
     
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    Baffling how you think otherwise.

    " if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death. "
     
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    Another 2,300+ Americans are reported to have died from the virus today
     
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    Byrd was a racist POS what context changes that?
     
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    I'll answer soon.
     
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    Talking points from the DNC might be delayed due to the Chinese Virus. Anyway, when you hear back from them, let us know what they said or what links they provided you.
     
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    You really don't like facts do you?
     
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    You mean they still haven't gotten back to you?

    I'm not arguing the facts. I think someone pointed out that more die every month from heart problems than have died in 2 months of coronavirus so the facts seem pretty clear. Another pointed out that in the instant someone dies of (I don't remember what he said but let me say) an infection caused by a hang-nail, in that instant, if you only measure that instant, then death by hang-nail is the most common cause of death.

    But, as I said, I don't care one way or another. A lot of people are dying. If the numbers are 50% low or 50% high, the numbers are too frigging much for the families of the dead to bear.

    But you were going to show us the context, not of coronavirus deat numbers - but of why being in the KKK doesn't make someone a racist... You said you would get back to us..and didn't. And here you are online 8 hours later. Like I said, the DNC is slow these days. They're planning the socialist takeover of the country and don't have time for your little email.
     
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    I'm not going to provide Democratic talking points or use links from politically slanted sources. It does take time though to put together the data and then write out all the details properly. Hence, why I'll get back when I have time to do it correctly. You are not interested in facts but only spin, but I'll get back to you. Also I never said being in the KKK does not make one racist, I said there is context and history to consider. At present the tea party is the party of the racist KKK and Neo nazis.
     
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    Unfortunately we are not talking about a single death, yesterday over 2,400 Americans were reported dead from the virus, and the day before yesterday was another 2,400 dead. The day before that was more than 1,500 dead, the day before that was another 1,500 dead, the day before that was over 2,000 dead, the day before that was over 1,900 dead, the day before that was another 1,900 dead, and so on. The reason for the increase in deaths is due to how broad the virus has spread, if the virus continues to spread, the daily rate at which Americans are dying will increase. We are not likely to see this trend change until we contain this virus. Decreasing the virus' outbreak to what it was in early March in itself would save thousands of American lives each day
     
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