Could the fire burn down WTC?

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  1. katsung47

    katsung47 Banned

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    picture compare with Madrid fire
     
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    We will never know what really happened on 9/11. It will forever be a mystery as to what happened on that day.

    At least you are not proposing it was aliens behind it. I've seen the videos on YouTube.............
     
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    We do know what happened on 9/11. We know what happened in a Moscow theater, what happened in Beslan, what happened to american marines in Lebanon, what happened in London underground, in a Madrid train station, all over India, all over Israel, in Bali, in Libya elsewhere. Your muslim taquia is not fooling anyone, we know and we will never forget.

    But in case you haven't figured it out yet, here is a hint for you ;)

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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two completely different construction designs. FAIL
     
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    YOu made a wrong turn, the Conspiracy THeory forum is that a way:

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    You're right, and I don't get why nutjobs feel the need to tell everyone about their crazy theories.
     
  7. katsung47

    katsung47 Banned

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    What a reason. What about this one?

    [video=youtube;LD06SAf0p9A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A[/video]

    WTC 7 collapse
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anybody notice that the steel structure of the Madrid fire around the concrete reinforced core collapsed?

    WTC had no concrete reinforced steel which acts sort of like super insulation and the massive force of a 757 along with a wall of fuel would have stripped off any sprayed on insulation in it's way.

    This is the core, the outer steel collapsed of the Madrid Tower.

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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Easy, same construction as the WTC and a day long fire. The insulation is only designed to last a couple of hours assuming the fire is smaller and can be fought.
     
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    Unique building with an internal arch construction, damaged by the falling WTC towers, allowed to burn unchecked for hours.

    Yea, they are so much alike. Before trying to make a comparison between WTC 7 and any other buildings, I suggest you go do some reasearch about the internal truss structure built inside of it, to lift the structure over the Con Edison power station under it. Because the building had to go around and not interfere with the existing power station, it was of a very unique design. Basically a bridge over the existing structure, with truses around it to keep the main building elevated above it.

    And the conspiracy theory thread is still the other way.
     
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    Along with the same core shell spanning floors of the WTC towers. A new construction technique for it's time. The weak point in the design are the lightly constructed spans and the pin connectors. It could have held longer if they had been welded but it wasn't designed for a day long fire.
     
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    I don't see how this is a conspiracy theory. He's asking why the WTC fell down. That's not any more a conspiracy than asking why the stock market crashed unless you assume an answer that puts the government in the totally unbelievable and far-flung position of liar's and opportunists. I don't like the zealous conclusions they seem to com to, but the question is valid and the official reasons are few, sketchy, and pretty much ignored, for what was a national tragedy. It seems the only real explanation the government had to give was..."terrorists did it".

    They do everything these days.
     
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    There are videos from both sides who both have scientists, engineers, demolition experts, and such claiming two opposite things with all the facts and charts they can muster. The only thing I get from it is confusion and suspicion.
     
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    But my core belief is that it seems so odd. If you were a terrorist- especially after 9/11, it would seem that the lesson you get is that terrorism in America is only going to validate the US going over to your home country and leveling it. It doesn't make sense. They achieve nothing. There's no operational or psychological goal achieved with terrorism in the US.
     
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    No psychological goal? Are you serious?
     
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    Are you kidding? The goal is to make the US feel to scared to "meddle" with any other nations. It happened in 1979, it happened in 1983, and they hope it continues to happen in the future. Kill enough US citizens (military or civilian), and they hope that the US will quit and go home. The very idea of 9/11 (and the 1993 bombing as well) was to both destroy what they saw as a symbol of US dominance, and to show the US as weak.

    The very fact that they saw the World Trade Center as a symbol of US dominance alone shows that this was psychological even before it became a fact. And it belongs in conspiracy because this thread has absolutely nothing to do with military at all, and the very idea that started it was that it was not terrorism but an act by the Government. So that removes even the idea it was terrorism from the OP.

    Therefore, conspiracy theory.
     
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    Please show us where is the fire. WTC is a closed box. If you set fire in a pot, then cover the lid, the fire extinguished instantly. That's why a fire was hardly to expand in a closed building. Watch the WTC video again, where is the fire?

    [video=youtube;LD06SAf0p9A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A[/video]
     
  19. Hoosier8

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    The fires went on all day. There was much damage to the building from the falling towers and when you open up a "closed box" you provide a source of oxygen to feed the fires. You can see that in this video where the fires are pointing inward, the direction the air was moving being sucked up by the fires.

    [video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542&p=1[/video]
     
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    Underline = Lie.
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    http://concretecore.741.com/

    Bold = Isn't that speculation though?
     
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    To answer the OP, since Hoosier hasn't responded: No, I do not see how the WTC, either one of them, could collapse because of the fires. Both buildings withstood the plane impacts, mighty as they were, but the South Tower did not collapse until after two firemen reached the impact zone and radioed that two lines could subdue the fire, which means it not only fell first while being hit second but that there appears to be a effort to disable firefighter efforts to tame office fires.
     
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    WTC site map

    WTC 6 suffered more than WTC 7, it didn't collapse. The fire you show us could burn down a buiding? You under estimate people's intelligence.
     
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    WTC 6 was also the lowest building in the complex (7 floors), and while it suffered extensive damage due to falling debris (it was little more then a shell), there was no serious fire inside.

    WTC 7 was a 47 story skyscraper, with an arched design to make sure it stretched over a pre-existing building, and was gutted by fire for hours before it collapsed.

    Here, let me show you my car. It is a Geo Metro straight 3, but it gets over 40 MPG. Then you have a Chevy Tahoe V-8, it is a GM car also, but only gets 12 MPG. But both have internal combustion engines, and burn gasoline. To obviously there is a conspiracy why the Tahoe uses so much more gas then the Metro.

    So yea, this:

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    Is just so much like this:

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    That you are right, they both should have behaved in the exact same way.

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    nope, the columns crippling cause the collapse
     
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