I have to laugh since the OP provides proof that fire can bring down insulated steel structure. For instance, take a look at the Windsor tower. The central core left on the top was reinforced concrete construction while the two wings on either side that are completely destroyed were insulated steel. It is believed that bowing of the core structure led to the collapse. So some study on what load bearing members do when some of them are taken out on one side, subject to heat for hours, and under pressure of expanding floor joists (yes Virginia, Steel expands when it is heated). Read up on what load bearing steel supports do when they start bending. Go look at the construction plans at 9-11 Research and see how they were constructed, blowing away your retarded graphic. The insulation was rated at only two hours maximum for protection. The mass of aluminum and wall of fuel moving at almost 500 miles per hour stripped off much of the insulation leading to much of the problem. Fires that were intended to be fought were figured to be isolated and nothing that large, over four or five floors was ever intended to be able to be fought successfully. If there were no fire, the buildings could have survived the crash as they did for almost two hours before the fire weakened the structure. Another thing that might have helped is if the floor joists were welded to at either end but they were bolted and bolts do are not as strong in sheer as they are in tension. The firemen never reached any of the floors except the bottom most where the fire was moving down to and not where it was raging.
Here is something to consider. This happened in 2007. A gas tanker truck ran into the side of the bridge, and it's tank ruptured. No impact, no damage. A fairly new concrete bridge with stressed steel reinforcement burned for over an hour, then collapsed. [video=youtube_share;faQLrb7-qQ8]http://youtu.be/faQLrb7-qQ8[/video] [video=youtube;hXb5M8qKrjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw[/video]
It was an cover up operation. Here is what I wrote after that "insident". 482. The collapse of Highway 580. (5/3/07) Recently, I was harassed heavily in internet again. I was blocked to post in my own homepage as well as other web sites such like Google. I think it is a response to my revelation on Virginia Tech shootings. Feds don't want people to read it. The persecution is so intensified that they created a highway collapse four days ago. I have talked about several times that one of their option to eliminate one of my sisters who lives in Oakland is to force her taking Bart while the Feds had planned a "terror bombing" in tunnel. The way to force my sister to take Bart instead of driving is to shut off the Bay Bridge. (see #433. 9/2 plot (9/5/06)) When this trick was revealed, Feds developed another one: to shut off one of the exit way of the Bay Bridge. The collapsed highway 580 is a road of "must" if she drives from San Francisco to her home in Oakland. The shut off of Bay Bridge is too evident. It causes alert. This time one of the exit will be closed at least for half years. It saves them a sub-plan during that period. Another motive of this created event is to cover up the 911 plot. To prove a fire could melt steel. It is a case of killing two birds by one stone. If they created 911, it's much easier to create I-580 collapse. Just cut loose a support screw and then having a tanker fire. It's that simple. It's not the motive only that makes me conclude it was a planned crime. 1. Timing: The newspaper said, "In the early morning hours, the freeways were nearly deserted." (Mercury News, April 30) What is that "early morning hours"? 3:52 am. It was night that most people were in deep sleep. I can assure you, no outsider had the opportunity to witness the event. (Of course, exclude those prepared witness. Feds used to have "reliable witness" to prove their framed case. Such as Moussaoui to 911) At 3:52 am in week-days, there still may be chance that some one happened to drive by. Feds made it on Sunday. 3:52 am on Sunday, a most deserted time for freeway. A safest time to create an artificial accident. 2. The damaged overpass was just above highway 880. The tanker happened to burn right underneath at that point. The fire would have burned in open air if the oil tanker crashed a little bit farther or a little bit lesser. Was it a lottery winner that crash took place at the spot? The whole journey of the truck mission is 100 miles? 200? 300? Compare the crash spot (span at 30 to 40 feet), the chance is too rare. 3. Location. A place with busy traffic: the exit of the Bay Bridge, where highway 880 and 580 going through. The best place for propaganda because hundreds of thousands of people drive by there every day. A right accident (to reason the WTC collapse) at a right place (just at the cross point where a fire can burn the upper overpass. A place about half million commuters pass by every day, a best place for propaganda, ) at the right time. (the most deserted time of highway, so rare people could witness it) So Bush and his accessories can beat the drum this time. It could be an accident. How rare the chance is, there is still lucky man who win the lottery or unlucky man who was hit by a thunder. It also could be a black box operation to justify 911 attack. If you believe 911 was an inside job. Then this group has the motive to cover it up. If you think it was not a coincidence that the WTC was changed hands three months before 911 attack( to enable that group to set up explosives inside the building), then you have full reason to recognize it was not a coincidence too on timing and location for this event. It is another covert job to cover up the 911 event.
Oh please, complete nonsense. And I am sorry, that overpass is not a "must". And let me explain to you why. If the I-880 sounds familiar, it was also called the Nimitz Freeway. This is the same double-decker structure that collapsed in the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake. When I first moved to the area in 1990, this bridge did not exist. The I-880 did not exist. And we all simply took the I-80 to get to Oakland. And in fact, if what you are telling me is correct, it is also complete nonsense. You see, you also mentioned that she had to take a tunnel. And this can only mean the Caldecott Tunnel, along SR-24. And SR-24 runs due East from the East side of the Bay Bridge. The I-880 heads due South from the Bay Bridge. If you doubt this, feel free to take a look for yourself. So sorry, your story makes absolutely no sense. If she has to go through the Caldecott Tunnel, no way on Earth would she ever take the I-880. It goes totally the wrong direction. Sorry, local knowledge fail, 100%. What you said is like somebody who lives in Hollywood trying to say they drive to Santa Monica, but their commute was ruined because of construction on the SR-134. And if you think people are "deep asleep" at 4am, you really don't know Baghdad By The Bay very well at all. That is the time that large number of truck drivers are active, going to and from the port of Oakland, starting their drives to other areas of the city or out of town if they are going farther. They certainly do not want to start at 7am, when Rush Hour is in full swing.
1. It's a vital connector to Bay Bridge. People of two highways had to detour for the existed passages. It caused traffic jam and long time delay. A lot of people had to give up driving to take the tunnel bart. 2. The burned site was just underneath the crossing pass. 3. According to you, 3:52 am on Sunday became a rush hour?
Ahh, welcome back. Yes, it is a vital connector to the Bay Bridge, if you are going there to or from the I-880. But it is not the only way to get there. You have to realize, I have lived in this area off and on for a great many years. I used to travel through that area 3 times a week for almost 3 years. And most of that was when there was no I-880 at all, because the 1989 earthquake destroyed it. That is why I realized that your claims made absolutely no sense. They were not said by somebody who was local (like you tried to claim), but random rambles by an outsides that has no comprehension of what they were talking about. Like your "sister". She came from East to West along SR-24. Now I can tell you how that route goes, having taken it many times (most recently was last month). It goes through the Caldecott Tunnel, then dumps you onto the I-580. You take that North (West), and it converges with the I-80 West, and takes you straight to the toll booths. You come nowhere near the I-880, or the overpass that was destroyed. The I-880 takes a very different route. It exits the bridge, turns due South, and goes for about a mile and a half where it turns East, essentially serving the docks and local neighborhoods down the East Bay until it meets the I-238. For that stretch, it is not really a "major route", most of us locals prefer the I-580 because it has a lot less trucks on it and it is a smoother route. And if we were traveling from farther south then the I-230, we would not bother to go all the way up to the Bay Bridge in the first place. We would take either then San Mateo or Dunbarton Bridge. So no, it was not a big deal. Remember, this route was closed for 8 years (1989-1997), and during that time we all did just fine, and we all know the alternate routes. But that is all just facts. It still fails to explain why your sister "who lives on the other side of the Oakland Hills) would have to take the I-880, which goes a totally different direction. You see, this is the part that the fire happened in. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=maca...2.230836,19.753418&t=h&hq=macarthur+maze&z=17 Now, keep following the I-80 East. See where it merges with the I-580? Continue that way. A few miles down that way, you hit the Cloverleaf for the I-580-SR-24. That is the way your "sister" apparently comes in. See? They do not connect. In fact, for her traffic might have even been better, since the I-880 normally cut in right before the toll booths, essentially having the northern most booths all to themselves. With that access being closed, all tollbooths were essentially open for everybody. And the traffic either merged in earlier (taking the I-580 or surface route), or went to Baghdad by the Bay by a totally different way (like the US-101 on the West Bay). And yea, it did damage a single interchange with the I-580 when debris fell onto it. However, BART (our local train system) was free following the incident, most commuters found other ways to get to and from work, and the bridge was repaired 8 days later and back in operation. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Expected-freeway-traffic-horrors-don-t-develop-2597231.php So sorry, your claims just do not seem to be real. They just make no sense, especially to somebody who is a local. I travel to the Bay Area 1-4+ times a month, and if I am in my car the news radio is on so I am aware of where the congestion is (on the bike it is not such a big deal, I just go around it). But like LA when I lived there, I know 4-10 ways to get from one area of the bay to another. Heck, if gas is no issue I can tell you how to travel most of the area and not pay a single bridge toll (when I was a frequent SF-LA commuter, I frequently got off the I-5 at Los Baños, took the Pacheco Pass 152 to the 101 at Gilroy, just to avoid paying the toll at the Benicia-Carquinez Straights bridges). And no, 4am is not a "rush hour", but it is the time the truckers start departing the Port of Oakland. I invite you to come on over there sometime, and take a look at the truck traffic through that area sometime. That part of the Bay is just full of trucks coming and going.
the expansion broke the bolts and it fell off the truss. bridge design does not account for temps beyond ambient. office buildings do account for fire however because it happens. Just like a few floors in the wtc caught fire on February 13, 1975, and nothing happened as expected. So lets review a few pictures that are seen by the people who write the books who did the foia demands and not generally. Does this look like a "collapse"? Since the final result of a demolition is in fact a "collapse", would americans accept the governments label as "plausible" since it does NOT give any information as to the "cause"? Many people consider this sort of thing syntax terrorism and deceitful. Is this what a natural collapse looks like? this maybe? this? or this Ummm how about this one?
We first need to examine the background. So how about we look at the dynamics involved? Shadow planes? seen by chopper 5 and ABC But there wasnt any fire to even speak of and in fact the sprinkler system was working as people escaped we can see water pouring down the stairwell with them! Pics JUST before the "collapse". Nope virtually no fire on this side! Nope virtually no fire on this side either! Oh and there is that pesky plane through steel and concrete problem again. WOW all 4 sides with virtually no fire to be found anywhere! Amazing! Invincible planes and invisible infernos. Last one to find the massive raging inferno hot enough to melt steel is a rotten egg! I guess that would me a rotten egg huh? .
You can tell if there is a fire because its bright yellow orange and easily visible. Now I have been trying to get the site debunkers to give us a full explanation of why NIST never put this in their report. Especially since these are taken from foia releases. Maybe they did not think it was important? that naughty fire starter gurl and of course the steel is just like new! Just like the day they put it in! and this and this and this just look at what fire is doing to that massive core! More massive fire and inferno destroying the core wow what building could withstand a massive inferno of intense raging fire like that? This is a really good place to start talking about why the towers "collapsed". [video=youtube;_wp4O7v5320]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320[/video]
Didn't firefighters, policeman, and people who were both around and in the building give testimony about the contradiction to the official story they experienced first hand. Why is their testimony overlooked and all this hearsay patronized?
You pretend to be a local and spit a lot to convince others because they are impossible to understand what you said. But people with common sense knows that when two major highway were blocked, how the traffic would have been jammed for the rest of roads. And they have rare chance to get there on 3:52 am on Sunday to see "lot of trucks". I wonder then what happened on 8 am in week days? You play the role of an actor: watch the following: Hired Actor Exposed-Sandy Hook (Please Read Info Box) [video=youtube;qMuB2mLhqeU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMuB2mLhqeU[/video] Hook Dad Smiling in the Wake of Massacre.(Read Info Box) [video=youtube;zfxhuapWOKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfxhuapWOKY[/video] Fathers of slain children do not go around joking and laughing the next day this guy is a fraud and he is an actor and so is the aunt that spoke before him and this entire shooting is a scam to take away gun right for a much bigger global domination plan
The final official report from NIST stated that it was not fire that brought down WTC 7. None of the fires in WTC 7 lasted long enough in any one particular place to significantly weaken any columns. NIST stated that the damage from the other tower caused the damage to one column in WTC 7. NIST calculations were then found to be erroneous once it was pointed out that the collapse occured at a faster rate than their models. NIST went quiet and nothing more was said. Swept under the carpet.
The original photo shows that the damage was a hole 2 ½ yards in diameter. Could the whole Boeing squeeze into it? http://www.apfn.org/apfn/impact1_477px.jpg THE EVIDENCE: One hole, 2 ½ yards in diameter Whatever hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 made a hole several meters wide in the front wall between the first and second floors. It emerged three blocks later, leaving behind a perfectly round hole of about 2 ½ yards in diameter. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/trou_en.htm
Yea, yet another conspiracy I see. Oh, I welcome anybody to double-check what I say. I even provided references, not all that hard to do. As for checking, it is not that hard to use a map. Heck, I think I even provided some when I busted your claims. Maps, wonderful things, anybody can use them if they know how.
What hole you referring to .....? There were 2 Holes - 1st hole was on second floor level created by the fuselage. It was about 17 ft wide Second hole created by wings/engines of the 757 was about 95 feet wide, the distance between the engines which is the heaviest and most massive section of the aircraft Conpiracy nutters usually make this claim.
Gen. Says Flt. 77 Did Not Hit Pentagon [video=dailymotion;x19n0s]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19n0s_gen-says-flt-77-did-not-hit-pentago_news[/video]
katsung47, et al, MG Stubblebine is very prone to being mislead. (COMMENT) What you done see is just as important as what you do see. The wings sheared-off, the plane accordioned into the building and the fire, which raged on for hours melting most of the plane. The story of 9/11 is going to be like the Kennedy Assignation. Everyone will be creating conspiracy theories and blaming everyone in the government, Santa and they Elves, the Easter Bunny, the Loch Ness Monster, Jews, and the CIA (of course); much the same as the WTC events. Conspiracy Theorist have been with us since the Civil War. They cover every event, UFOs, the Philadelphia Experiment, the Moon Landing, Area 51 and Aliens, and the The Third Secret of Fatima. The new craze will be 9/11. There will never be a time we will be out of Conspiracy Theories. We will never be able to lose them. There are simply too many people susceptible to the allure of the theory - people that cannot deductively analyze the material. It is attractive to a percentage of the population, just as hundreds were so susceptible to the Jim Jones cult, that they were willing to commit mass suicide. You just have to ignore them and let them pursue the fantasy. Most Respectfully, R
The government would never lie to us about this event. Or any event for that matter. *Sarcastic* I would be more likely to believe the government about 9/11 if they didn't take all the metal before testing it send it to China to be used there. If they didn't say that what happened to building 7 is unknown and of little significance. The fact that they told some officials not to fly on that day, allowed people who were already flagged as terrorists to come over here. The put options on the Airlines used days before. Briefings about it behind closed doors. The "Slow intercept" added to the air force before the event and taken away right after. "We decided to pull, and watch the building fall." Even IF the government had no hand in the event itself, they knew it was coming. They let them in. Some of them even lived with an FBI agent. They are just as accountable for the event as the terrorists are. Even if half of those who did the attack are still alive. ( http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm ) I don't want to think the Government did it. But when you have all the details together, and you see the evidence. Its odd.
What about flight 93 that crashed in PA. How about the phone calls from passengers to non govt or military family telling them were hijacked was that an inside job ? The 911 fires were enhanced by Jet fuel ? the fire was not a mere building fire, they had hundreds of gallons of accelerant. Now I am not an engineer nor an expert on anything, but from what ive read and what I know the building collapsed from the top down floor to floor which indicates the heat of the fire with the jet fuel accelerant sent one floor down on the other and the weight increased as they fell and it led to total "collapse of the buildings. Those buildings didnt burn down, they werent blown up, the collapsed from the airplanes impact down and of course the floors above come down too. This 911 was an inside job is pure crap.
Yes, but that fact is not enough to explain the events. For instance, fire can get hot enough to burn anything, but did it get hot enough to burn the material used in the World Trade Tower? The other thing is that fire burns up for the most part. That means that fire would have destroyed everything above them point of impact, and only to a certain extent. A fire more than midway up the total length of the building does not explain the free fall of one tower, and the identical fall of the other tower. Also, members of the police and fire department have clearly expressed hearing multiple explosions, and people who were inside the building have confirmed this. All these things do not even warrant mention in the official report. It's a broad amount of information that leaves about as many plot holes as the Oklahoma City Bombing does.
As usual, Truthie traitors want to cover up Greedhead guilt The WTC was specially built to create more office space for the Capitaliban to get richer. The main supports were put on the outside instead of the inside, meaning that, when hit by an airliner, the whole building would collapse. Mohammed Atta, one of the suicide pilots, had a PhD in Architecture and knew perfectly well what would happen to this greed-designed monstrosity.
Jet fuel burns a lot hotter then normal combustibles; the fact that the jet penetrated the inner skin of the building, melted the support steel beams, which caused structural failure. Multiple explosions could have been caused by accelerants stored on the various floors (cleaning suppies, oils, solvents, etc) which cooked off during the fire. Both buildings being of similiar design and construction could be a reason why the towers fell rather identical ways.
The two towers fell the way they did because of their design. They were built around a central core with four main columns on each corner. The floors were suspended between the core and the beams. When the planes hit, the jet fuel fires exceeded the limitations of the insulation on the the supporting structures holding up the floors. This softened the metal enough that the joints failed. If you look at the videos, the collapses started at the point of impacts. The "explosions" seen from lower windows is due to the compression of the air in the floors as the ones above collapsed.
