"Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven?"

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  1. TheChairman

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    Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven?
    http://carm.org/catholic-do-you-know-you-are-going-to-heaven

    A list of false teachings in the Roman Catholic Church
    http://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings

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    There have been many discussions as it pertains to differences between Catholic beliefs and teachings and Protestant beliefs and teachings. Questions have been brought up in conversations such as why Catholics use a "Missal" instead of the Holy Bible during church services as Christian Protestants do. There are many other questions regarding their teachings and beliefs, and one important question is whether Catholics believe in being "Born Again" or Saved in order to be able to enter into Heaven when they pass on. It would be good to understand these positions better as the Holy Bible tells us how to be saved.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you feel the need to question the beliefs of others and then ask them to validate their faith to you?
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Good question...........
     
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    Dear you .... do you know if those funny old myths are actually true?

    There have been many discussions as it pertains to differences between religiosity and insanity. Questions have been brought up in conversations such as why the religious use magical books instead of medication during 'episodes', as crazy people do. There are many other questions regarding the differences, and one important one is whether the religious believe they need to accept their own potential insanity in order to get better. It would be good to understand these positions better, as the progress of mankind is at stake.
     
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    Who gets to decide the truth or fallacy of a teaching?
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    I bet this will generate one of those "because Christianity has a real influence in the world and should be held to no lower standard than any other belief" answers.
     
  7. TheChairman

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    It is not for my need but rather for theirs. Many Catholics do not realize that without being Born Again or Saved they cannot enter into Heaven. Therefore, they should validate their faith to God through Jesus Christ.
     
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    Dear you, those who are not religious may never understand the ways of those who are and will resort to ridicule. You appear to be one of those.

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    Those who follow God's true word in the Holy Bible.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize that the view that one must be saved or born again is YOUR beliefs?

    You are asking them to validate their faith against your perspective.

    Again, why do you not respect other peoples freedom of belief and faith? I am sure you expect people to respect yours, you actually go further and ask people to validate against yours.

    The problem with many religious people is their inability to respect the perspectives of others.

    I grew up Catholic. We don't believe in our faith that one must be saved in order to enter into heaven. That is something you believe. I hope that works out for you.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    And who are those who follow God's true word in the Holy Bible?
     
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    Well obviously not you.
     
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    Hello pharisee.
     
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    And that's the problem right there. And it's not just my belief but what God says in the Holy Bible about what people need to do in order to get saved. Things you obviously don't learn in the Catholic Church that you should. And your pope is obviously doing absolutely nothing to assure that you are saved either.

    This is what the Holy Bible says about salvation that you need to learn that you are obviously not being taught in the Catholic denomination.

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." JOHN 3:3 KJV

    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 PETER 1:23 KJV

    "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." JOHN 3:7 KJV

    If you still doubt this about your salvation due to what you have not been taught about it, this next Scripture exemplifies the need for it further. It is speaking about being Saved through Jesus Christ.

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 4:12 KJV

    "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the ONLY begotten Son of God." JOHN 3:18 KJV

    But the overriding question at this point in many people's minds must be But HOW can we be Saved? And the answer is by simply giving your life to Jesus Christ and following Him. That's how. It's actually very simple and something no one should have an objection to if they truly value their everlasting (Eternal) life. To say the following prayer makes you a Born Again Christian who will most certainly be able to enter into Heaven when you pass-on. This is not just me saying this, it is Biblical coming from God, who certainly knows how one can attain Heaven. So, my point being that many people do not know of the way to enter into Heaven therefore, they are imperiled, lost under false beliefs and teachings that do not teach about giving your life to Jesus Christ in order to attain Salvation.

    The following prayer makes you a Born Again Christian. Would there be anything in this prayer that you would object to in order to Save your soul and spirit because remember Salvation is for Eternity. You do not get another chance at salvation once you die and leave this world. One must take the following step by saying this prayer in order to be Saved according to the Holy Bible. No one could truly care about whether you are saved or not except you. That much is known. After all, it is not they who are going to be with you when you pass on and go on to your judgment. So, taking steps to assure you will go to Heaven when you die is Essential. The choice is yours to make. Become Born Again and Save yourself. Or do not and be imperiled for eternity at a place of God's choosing that will, of course, not be Heaven. And don't put off your decision for too long as many have thought they could say the Prayer of Salvation tomorrow or the next day only they did not have tomorrow or the next day, unfortunately. So, rule of thumb should be to not put off for tomorrow what you can get done today especially when it is such a serious matter as attaining your own Eternal Salvation.

    Prayer of Salvation

    The following prayer should be said OUT LOUD and with complete reverence.

    "My Heavenly Father, I come before thee as a sinner but with contrite heart and ask thee to bless and forgive me of all of my sins. I accept and believe that Jesus Christ is the One and only begotten Son of God. I further believe in my heart that Jesus died on the cross for me and that He resurrected from the dead on the third day through God for my salvation. I accept Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior and I promise to serve you in the Most Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Amen."

    Those who have said this prayer are now Saved and Born Again according to the Holy Bible. You are thus assured of going to Heaven when you pass-on. May God bless you always for eternity.
     
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    Hello un-Believer.
     
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    So what constitutes an "un-Believer"? Who gets to decide who is and who is not a believer?

    I await your dodge.
     
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    No dodge at all. Happy to answer your question.

    An Unbeliever is someone who obviously does not believe in Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior. Their answers and replies readily gives them away.

    "Ye shall know them by their fruits." -- MATTHEW 7:16 KJV
     
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    Is not the Bible wide open to interpretation? If not then who is the earthly authority whose interpretation we are to adhere to?

    So where is one to go to learn the "right" way?

    I have said the Prayer of Salvation yet you labeled me a "un-Believer". So how do you reconcile this discrepancy?
     
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    Happy to hear. So let me re-ask the questions that you dodged earlier.

    Who gets to decide the truth or fallacy of a teaching?

    And who are those who follow God's true word in the Holy Bible?

    Guilty as charged.

    And what fruits do I yield?
     
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    Only fools believe the Bible is open to interpretation. God's Word is infallible and man cannot change that. Therefore, there is no Earthly authority who can override what God has placed forth for us to know and understand in His Word.

    You are being taught the right way with my posting and the Scriptures contained therein. For more on the "right" way, please go and read your Holy Bible daily.

    If you have said the Prayer of Salvation, as have I, then I wholeheartedly Congratulate you!! You are Saved through Jesus Christ by having become a Born Again Christian.

    The question is: Did you inform me, beforehand, that you had said the Prayer of Salvation at the time you say I labeled you an "un-Believer?" If you had, I would have most certainly not have said that about you.

    Let us not continue to cause division between us at this very special time that God has welcomed you into His kingdom. This is a time for great celebration! Now that you are Saved and a Born Again Christian I do not wish to have discord with you. May God bless you.
     
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    SALVATION! But only because you have now become a Born Again Christian. Had you not, you would not have yielded such eternal fruit.

    One always knows a person and his or her heart by the answers (fruits) they give in response to questions or in their general postings. When their heart is reflecting love, forgiveness, mercy, and compassion, their "fruits" will reveal that and one will also know that, with what and how their write. Conversely, when they write things that are blasphemous, nasty, and unbecoming, those "fruits" will also be revealed that will fully expose them.
     
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    So if the Bible is not open to interpretation then why is it that all Christians do not believe as you do?

    That's it ? Nothing more is required? Is the uttering of the prayer an irreversible oath?

    The real question is why did you assume that I had not before you cast your judgment? I like how you attempt to make your jumping to a conclusion my fault.

    I hate to break it to you but I long ago rejected my Christian indoctrination and now see the Bible as nothing but the word of man. My asking questions is an attempt to better understand your position which seems to be that the Bible is not open to interpretation and your interp... er... view is the right view.
     
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    As you inaccurately labeled me an un-Believer. I do believe in God, just not your version of God.

    Interesting. Then what is the point of this thread as I am sure Catholics hearts have decided that they are with Jesus Christ?
     
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    Ya know? Whatever gets you through the night. Believe, don't believe, believe sometimes and not others. Question, answer, doubt, have faith. Whatever it takes, whenever you need it. Life's short. and it's only your life. If you sleep better believing that there's something better in store for you when you check out of here..then by all means there's something better. If you prefer that once you take that final breath, it's over, end of story. Then it's over, end of story. Ain't nobodies bizness but yerown
     
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    ROBINI123 Continues:
    The point is that they did not know that they needed to become Born Again first in order to become Saved. And as you well know, it was said that they did not believe in Salvation. Thus, I hope they review what has been said here and then move to become Saved but that is their personal decision.

    As for you, if you were truthful in saying you have said the Prayer of Salvation, and I don't have any reason to not believe that, then your belief in "my version" of God, who is the ONE True God in the Holy Trinity, is now yours as well as whomever or whatever you believed in previously could not Save you as Jesus Christ can and just did.
     
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    Which bible?
     

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