Democrat Conor Lamb declares victory in Pennsylvania race

Pfffffffffffffffffft, we saw what Doug Jones did, just another corporatist who shat on his very largely black voter constituency.

 

Exactly but the new EU definition of a robust expansion is 1%. Look at the German economy which is touted to be on fire. The Obama economy looks like an all star compared to the EU. And the EU is threatening a trade war ?? Hilarious.

 

An economic expansion is not up to you to define. You can call it treading water, but there is a specific definition of the term and it is used predictively.

As far as money spent in the PA18 election, yes, Lamb personally raised more money, but when it came to outside spending, Saccone far surpassed Lamb. That should show you that the political tide is turning. Republicans have owned that district for a long time. It went for Trump by 20 points, and he and his son personally campaigned for Saccone. Because Republicans spent FAR more money and lost the seat should also be an indication that the tide is turning. Of course, you can use the excuse that Saccone was a bad candidate, that the seat is going away, that Lamb wouldn't have gotten the nomination if there had been a primary, but the fact is an R+20 seat, in a long standing R district, with more outside spending and the personal endorsement and campaign event by Trump as some kind of justification for the loss, but the seat was lost.

 

You should read what Paul Ryan has said if you think the only ones talking about cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are Democrats. You're welcome to your own opinion on what should happen with those programs, but when Paul Ryan talks about "reform" it consists of cutting the programs.

I'm not trying to score points with you. haha

If you think a $1000 a year raise is perfectly fine, even as health insurance went up $300 a month ($3600 a year) we see things very differently.

I'll wait until the midterms to see whether your prediction or mine come to fruition.

 

I'm bragging? Nope. I'm stating facts. I wish the economy had recovered more quickly too, but it didn't. I wish our politicians had been willing to work together and get the economy moving more quickly, that they had crafted laws that deterred corporations from moving overseas and offshoring profits, but they didn't. They chose to sit on their hands and obstruct each other.

You're quite welcome to your opinion, but facts are facts. We have been in a long recovery from the most devastating economic crash since the Great Depression.

 

Ryan's Social Security reform is privatization which is a vast improvement to the current system which is in a death spiral. Payout would be ~ 3X, accounts balances would be transferred to beneficiaries, and other benefits such as life insurance could be included.

 

You are saying any reform is a "cut" which of course is not true and I gave you the numbers on teachers insurance and it has not been an increase of $300 a month but let's just out them all on Obamacare policies and they can face the same increases as the rest of us.

 

Lift the caps on income and Social Security isn't in a death spiral. There are lots of options for fixing Social Security besides pulling profit out of the available money for the program, like privatization will do.

 

The fact is that the Obama economy due to the Obama policies such as Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and the regressive regulation explosion grew at an anemic 1% productivity growth rate. Supply side economics produces productivity growth 3X that.

 

Too many partisans out there today. It'll take a 21st Century Civil War to get back to that kind of government again.

 

NO! I am saying that the Republican Speaker of the House's plan for reforming those programs is cutting them… refuting your position that the only ones talking about cutting SS is the Democrats.

I am not debating Obama's policies with you in this thread on Conor Lamb. I shared what one teacher in West Virginia stated happened to him and his family, and why he is leaving the teaching profession. In the PA18 election, voters said the most important issue to them was health care…. and they rejected the Republican candidate. Read that however you wish.

 

Why shouldn't Americans be free to invest where they see fit? And you are correct first the Democrats did little to help mitigate the effects of the slowdown/recession and in fact made it worse with their fiscal managaement and proposals enacted and promised and then after passing their failed stimulus did little else to get us into a full recovery making it the worst recovery in modern history. You were the one who posted about it being a "long recovery" what was you point then?

 

Privatization does not pull money out of anything. And a superior product is delivered whilst maintaining a social safety net. Lifting income caps is again taxing wealth creation which reduces regressively economic growth.

 

How can providing better benefits be a cut ??

 

Who makes laws in this country? The President or Congress? The ACA was passed by Congress. Dodd-Frank was passed by Congress. The economic recovery was slow because Congress chose to do little to nothing. You can call it Obama's economy if you like, but it belongs to a Congress that chose to do nothing to fix it.

I am not going to discuss supply side economics. Even Bush41 called it voodoo economics.

 

We disagree. Our health care system shows the difference. We have more expensive health care, with lower outcomes than countries with universal health care, and some of the most profitable corporations in this country are in health insurance.

 

Passed by Democrats without any R votes.

You as all others have would lose the debate. The evidence is clear.

 

Our health care system shows the opposite of what you claim as many threads on the subject have shown. The data again is clear.

 

You left something out... Something as important as Lamb being a right leaning democrat.

"And while he did not mention Trump's name, he made it clear he would seek cooperation with the president, who remains more popular in this district than in national averages."

Trump supporters vote based on policies, not the letter besides one's name.

 

Yes Congress makes the laws and has the most budget control and the Democrats took the Congress Jaunary of 2007 a year before the recession began. And who was one of those Senators who fully supported and voted for the Democrats policies, Obama. And then when he won the election got his budget request included in that HUGE 2009 spending increase which took the deficit from a measly $161B to $1,400B in just two years and got his stimulus and got his Obamacare and showed absolute NO economic leadership. He did constantly tell us how the first thing he thought about everyday was jobs and the economy and that he talked about it alot.

And Bush41 was not an economist and was just as wrong as the demand-side proponents and fell for the Democrats give us tax increases and we will give you spending reductions. So pointing to him adds no credence to your argument.

 

Please cite the data you claim, because that is not what I see.

 

Take out the auto and gun violence data and correct for the deaths resulting from life long smoking and our life expectancy is right on the top. And then correct for the very strict definition of death with regard to premature infants used in the US. The US spends more on health care in part because we have one of the highest gdp per capita numbers. To make a statement that the US has a weak health care system is preposterous.

 

It's 2018. We've been in a recovery since 2009. This thread is about Conor Lamb and his election. The people of PA18 decided to send someone other than a Republican to Congress. You can look at why that happened, or you can continue ranting about Obama and promoting supply side economics, while the country moves in another direction.

 

So, no citation, but manipulate the data to make it say what you want?
There is no disputing that we spend more on health care, cover fewer people, and have worse outcomes than other first world countries. We can do better and have Congress fix it, or we can continue to manipulate the statistics and pretend we're doing as well as other countries.

Health care was the #1 issue in PA18, and the voters there turned an R+20 into a Democratic seat.

Have a nice day AFM.

 

A recovery that should have ended back in 2011-12 and put us into a period of solid growth and rising incomes and full employment with at least average LFPR. It was never a FULL and rebost recovery. You're the one who made the statement about the 2009 recovery not me. So explain why we would want to go back to those failed Democrat policies and what the voters sent to Congress is not what the Democrats are leaning to.