Democrats have no path to the White House

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  1. PatriotNews

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    In an election year that is strongly favoring outsiders against establishment politicians, the democrat party has no real path to the White House in 2016 because their 3 main contenders are all political insiders or career politicians. There are several factors which put the democrats on the defensive this election year:

    1. President Obama
    2. Poor performing economy
    3. Obamacare
    4. Extreme position on social issues
    5. Immigration
    6. Historic swings in presidential elections
    7. Enthusiasm gap
    8. Dependence on traditional constituency groups
    9. Lack of a Plan B/Deep bench
    10. Hillary Clinton
    11. Bernie Sanders
    12. Joe Biden

    1. President Obama Whoever the democrat nominee will be, and for the remainder of post I'll assume it's Hillary Clinton unless otherwise stated, they will have to defend the disastrous policies of Obama who's job approval rating continue to sink in the polls. Obama was supposed to be a uniter but instead has been a divisive partisan.

    2. Poor performing economy Under Obama, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. It will be difficult to sell the public on more of the same political solutions to getting the economy going when the last 8 years of socialist democrat management has failed to perform at a meager 1% growth for most of Obama's term barely peaking at 2% at times in his second term. Unemployment is at an all time low participation rate and wages have not only been stagnant but have declined from when he took office.

    3. Obamacare time bomb The democrat party has shot themselves in the foot when it comes to the ACA and the delayed implementation of the employer mandates. If you think people were mad before when they lost their insurance because of the individual mandates required by Obamacare, just wait until the 2016 employer mandates kick in and see how many people will lose their insurance. Democrats will have Hell to pay especially the 2016 democratic nominee.

    4. Extreme position on social issues The democrats are going to have to defend a number of social issues that are likely to ignite a backlash with social conservatives who will likely have larger than normal turnouts. Extreme positions on the court decision on gay marriage and support for Planned Parenthood in the wake of the Center for Medical Progress videos will likely paint the democrats into the extremist position or risk losing their own base.

    5. Immigration According to a new poll, 92% Call Illegal Immigration a 'Problem,' 77% Say It's 'Serious'. The democrats are on the wrong track on illegal immigration and legal immigration*. Polls consistently show that Americans not only want to put an end to illegal immigration but to lower the amount of legal immigrants coming into this country. This is true among republicans, independents and democrats. Trump will likely pick up a majority of independents on this issue, but create his own base of Reagan democrats who are working class who want better jobs and better wages. Despite efforts to paint Trump as a racist on this issue, polls are showing support for these ideas in traditional democratic constituencies including Hispanics and blacks who stand to benefit from more jobs and better wages.

    6. Historic swings in presidential elections The party in power usually has trouble holding onto power after a 2 term president. George H.W. Bush was one of only 2 exceptions to that rule in the last 100 years.

    7. Enthusiasm gap While the base of democrat voters are enthusiastic for Bernie Sanders, who is unlikely to be the democrat's nominee, the turnout for the alleged front runner Hillary Clinton is abysmal. On the republican side, the debates normally have about 2 million viewers. This year the GOP debates have had 22 to 24 million viewers. If the democrats don't match this number of viewers in their debates, it will portend a bad future for them in the general election.

    8. Dependence on traditional constituency groups Democrat hold on traditional constituency groups may see a crack in their dedication and reliability this coming election. Some early polls show Trump picking up 33% of Hispanics and an incredible 25% of black votes.

    9. Lack of a Plan B/Deep bench For a party that express disdain for old rich white people, all the democrats are offering are old white people. While Biden and Sanders are not particularly rich, they are unlikely to generate much enthusiasm outside of the base of the democratic constituency.

    10. Hillary Clinton Embroiled in multiple scandals and investigations, if she manages to win the nomination before she's indicted, the republicans will have a major issue to pummel her with until November. Her pathetic claim to "outsider status" was so laughable that she's even been mocked by traditional liberal media outlets.

    11. Bernie Sanders While attacking much enthusiasm in the base of the democrat party, the general public is not enthusiastic about socialism. An 18 trillion dollar social program is unlikely to move many moderates into the democrat party should Bernie miraculously win the nomination.

    12. Joe Biden The aged gaffe-master is the only parachute the democrats have waiting on the bench to pick up the ball should Hillary fumble. As the sitting Vice President, he will have an even more difficult time defending Obama's policies or appealing to a general electorate that is tired of career politicians and looking for someone outside Washington.

    All that taken together plus the trends of recent polling showing Hillary declining while Trump is surging bodes very badly for the democrats next election. The GOP turnout, usually higher in presidential election years, plus defections of independents and democrats, plus the low enthusiasm with the democrat base could prove to be a landslide year for the GOP not seen since 1984.

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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    All I can say is "LMAO".
     
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    Actually, Obama's approval ratings are pretty stable. Gallup has him at 46%.

    When Bush left office, the economy was collapsing. Say what you want about Obama, but he did manage to stabilize the economy, even if his policies are not sustainable.

    True.

    Most Americans support gay marriage and abortion.

    Americans do not support illegal immigration, nor do they support mass deportations and closed borders.

    You are trying to say that Democrats are on the wrong side of the issue, but you contradict yourself by saying that they are actually on your side.

    Regan gave amnesty to over 3 million illegal immigrants.

    Minorities do not support Donald Trump.

    Actually, it's happened four times: 1904, 1928, 1940 and 1988.

    True.

    A large portion of those people are just tuning it to see what Donald Trump is going to say.

    See above.

    Those polls are bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    Unlike Clinton and Sanders, Joe Biden is actually a likable person.

    True.
     
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    you are making things up again. Trump is providing a path.
     
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    There are more takers than makers; the Democrats always have a good chance.

    And with the media operating as an arm of the Democrat Party, they're probably favored to win.
     
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    Sure they, all the GOP has to do is be stupid and trot out some nutjob like Trump and the Dems could run out Donald Duck and they would win in a landslide.
     
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    Your premise is really flawed, making the rest of your post meaningless. Political insiders and career politicians are elected President, routinely.

    What's ironic is that the reason the right said Obama couldn't be President was his lack of experience. Now that same handicap is being trundled around as some sort of wonderful attribute that makes Trump uniquely qualified.
     
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    Bookmarked for later gloating... if I even remember...
     
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    From a high of what? Like I said...declining approval ratings.

    Cross your fingers. Many are predicting another bubble.

    Not true.

    Right. They also don't want citizenship for illegals. We don't need mass deportations. We need to stop letting them have jobs and welfare benefits. They will go home on their own.

    A majority of democrats are on the wrong side as is the leadership. The minority of democrats that are against illegals may find themselves voting for Trump.

    With the understanding that it was a one time amnesty and that the borders would be secured. He regretted signing that bill.

    Sure they do. That is a ridiculous statement. A growing number of minorities, though still a minority of the minorities, are backing Trump.

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    1904 - more than 100 years ago.
    1928 - President Coolidge didn't serve 2 full terms.

    I know. There is interest. Let's see if anyone is interested in what Hillary has to say.

    But only when they disagree with you?

    Yeah, like Joe only got 2% support in his previous bids for the White House. He'll be too late to get the finances to go up against Hillary.
     
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    Who said Trump lacks experience?
     
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    Also, Obama was elected based not on his experience or outsider status, but for a completely obvious and flawed reason.
     
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    His approval ratings peaked at 69% on inauguration day. His approval ratings have been in the mid-to-low 40s for the last year.

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    Source?

    No they aren't.

    My point stands. The Republicans had been in office for 8 years by that point, but Teddy Roosevelt still won a landslide.

    The Republicans had been in office for 8 years.

    He wasn't the Vice President in 1988 and 2008.
     
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    Which was what, come on say it...........
     
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    The GOP has to win every single swing state to barely inch across the finish line. Won't happen.
     
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    What reason do you think it was?
     
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    I asked first, come on you can say it.
     
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    I don't agree with PatriotNews's reasoning, but his conclusion is spot on. Obama has been a mediocre president, and history shows that the president has to be extremely popular for the ruling party to even have a chance.
     
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    The American electorate will not cotton to a GOP House, Senate, and President, and there is no chance of taking back the Senate or the House from the corporate fascists, so reality is the best spot remover.
     
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    What is that supposed to mean?

    "It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else." -George Orwell
     
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    IT WON'T HAPPEN


    Clear enough for you? The democrats have a virtual lock on almost 250 electoral votes already to the GOP 206 or so. The Dems only need 20 more and haven't even picked a nominee. Winning Ohio will put them within 2 as Ohio is never really a toss up--they just are good at marketing themselves that way to get all that campaign money.

    "That's All Folks"--Porky Pig
     
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    Oh...yea they do...One name to erase all doubt. Donald Trump! :roflol:

    Oh to elaborate further...Donald Trump!
    I bet conservatives have wet dreams of his inauguration day, when you wish he can say to President Obama....Your Fired!.:roflol:
     
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    Yes it will.

    As long as the Republicans nominate an establishment candidate, Florida, Virginia and Ohio will probably flip to the GOP. Winning those states would give the Republicans 266 Electoral Votes. Nevada and Colorado would probably be up for grabs, and a win in either one of those states would give the election to the GOP. Not to mention, the midwest has been trending Republican for years, so a win in one of those states is possible.

    Hillary is trailing in every swing state.

    In 2012, Obama only won Ohio by 2.98%, which is far from a blowout.
     
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    Nope.

    Virginia has two democratic senators, a democratic governor, and went for Obama twice, not to mention that the libertarians have been drawing down about 5% of the republican votes in recent elections. "Will probably flip" is a pipe dream

    Hillary is within the margin of error against the entire republican field


    Sure because choosing Cleveland as the GOP convention site will really swing that democratic city :roflol:
     
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    Trump is no nut.
     
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    Hope and change.

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    Yeah, I think Trump has yet to lock up the nomination, but come on, Jeb Bush? He's at 7%! Zzzzzzzzzz.
     

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