Do Atheists Like Science that Doesn't Suit their Agenda?

According to Nullity atheism must not be blamed no how many atrocities atheists are responsible for.

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Atheists have the worst human rights record in history, but of course that's just a coincidence.

 

Perhaps it is authoritarianism that causes this abuse, rather than atheism. I can find equally as many acts of cruelty and torture at the hands of theists.

 

Perhaps what has been reported is the absolute truth with regard to those circumstances, and now you are attempting to rationalize your position as an atheist or non-theist.

 

The poster claims "atheists have the worst human rights record in history." I am suggesting that his assessment may be a bit off the mark and that there are plenty of theists who have caused great misery and suffering to millions. The common thread seems to be authoritarian or despotic rule, rather than the degree to which the perpetrators may or may not subscribe to certain belief systems or modes of worship.

One need only go back as far as the founding of this great nation, for example, to find many fine examples of human rights abuses at the hands of very devout Christians.

 

I would say that some atheists are scientists, and some aren't.

 

And in all of that, you have added nothing that will refute the claim that you have spoken about. During that same period of time (dating back to the founding of this country), globally, you will find a disproportionately larger number of Atheist antagonists initiating, condoning and promoting human rights abuses. So thanks for the confirmation of the claim.

 

Oh? Do you have reliable data to back up your assertion? Or are you just guessing? I'd like to see your statistics, please.

 

That is interesting, none of your previous posts have any statistic or citations at all?

Funny trend here in atheistville - only one side requires evidence? Is that how sceince works? Or, if you think it is wrong, do you have data to show he's wrong? Wouldn't that be how sceince works?

What is the thread title? Interesting ...

 

I have not been asked for statistics. But I can certainly provide them.

Not sure where that place is. But I am prepared to present evidence in defense of my position.

No. Science works by testing hypothesis under controlled conditions and observing the results.

I am not the one who made the claim, therefore the onus is on the claimant to defend his position when challenged. But I am ready with data to defend my position.

Indeed. Perhaps the pendulum swings both ways, eh?

 

So, no statistics? No anecdotal evidence or citation of atheists arguementation to counter Inc's claim? Not scientific.

Lots of that in atheism.

 

Are you asking me for statistics?

 

Am I the one who made the claim? No? That's right, I am just an observer in that part of the discussion who has made a statement regarding what I have observed. So go bark up another tree if you are looking for evidence to support that claim.... even though I do agree with that claim... I agree with it because it sounds right.... and when people operate on faith,,, then sounding right makes all the difference in the world.

 

All that is required to be an Atheist is that you don't believe in a god or multiple gods. That's it. There is no formal book of Atheism like there is with most major religions. Sure, there are people who have written books supporting their view on Atheism in contemporary society, and there are other Atheists that agree with that person, but anyone who tries to group Atheists into any other group other than those who don't believe in a supernatural deity are casting too wide a net. Certain Atheists may be responsible for murders, but Atheism is not. Certain Atheists may be more scientifically literate, but Atheism does not worship science. Some Atheists are liberal while others are conservative. Some Atheists believe in climate change while others do not. See where I'm going with this?

 

You made the following claim: "globally, you will find a disproportionately larger number of Atheist (sic) antagonists initiating, condoning and promoting human rights abuses."

I am asking you now for data to back up your claim.

 

Not nitpicking here Neutral... but point of fact... the claim is not my claim but the claim of AnansiSpider... I was merely agreeing with what AS had posted... it is my opinion at best. On that same note that you brought to the discussion, it is true that BTTR has made no attempt to refute the claim made by AS.

 

I defer to the claim and documentation represented by AnansiSpider. It is my opinion that those statistics will outweigh any that you have not brought forth to refute the claim made by AS. BTW: Remember,,, faith is all that counts from that philosophy of the theists.

 

Can a person who commits such atrocities as has been mentioned in this thread be considered as a Christian? Would those acts be the acts of a Christian? No! To both questions. Therefore, any act which has been described in this thread as being atrocious, violent, repugnant, harmful to others, are not the acts of Christians, but rather are the acts of people who are behaving outside the teachings of Christianity.... they at the time of the actions would be considered as non-Christian or non-theist. Subsequently all acts of violence, mayhem, destruction, murder, rape, incest, etc., are not Christian behaviors and therefore are the acts of non-theists.

 

Your statement as I posted above sounded like a claim to me. But you are telling me that you are simply agreeing with AS? That your position is simply parroting his claim? Can you please cite the statistics of AS to which you refer?

 

No I cannot. However, I trust that he is not telling a lie. His citations were enclosed in quotation marks and gave the name of the persons making the statements... references that are easily checked out... by giving such information, I trust him.... unlike some others on this forum who make claims and then will not provide links or information as to where the claim originated or on what foundation the claim was made. I am agreeing with him, and the biggest part of my agreement comes from my 62 years of life experience which includes military time wherein there was the need to deal with (come in contact with) the type forces mentioned: then there was a number of years wherein I had to deal with politicians and again such forces were present ... promoting their agenda while representing a very large constituency: then of course there has been my near 40 year experience in dealing with legal issues in state, federal and international law... so you see, I am very well versed in those areas which have given me great exposure to such forces. Therefore, I have no rational reason to dispute the claims made by AS. My experiences prove the truth of those claims... whether you accept that testimony as valid evidence, is irrelevant, as I KNOW the truth of what I have stated.

 

Unlike various groups of theists (Christians, Muslims, etc) atheists do not belong to a group with group think.

Questions such as the one posed by the thread stater make no sense in regards to atheism.

Do some atheists ignore science which doesn't suit them? Yes. Is that an argument against atheism? No.

Can I turn the argument around and chose a theistic group? Yes. Why? Because theists belong to groups.

 

So do atheists. There are approximately 14 organizations nationwide (US) that are well organized and promote the atheist agenda (whatever that agenda may be... if there were no agenda, there would be no need of organizations). By claiming the title of Atheist, immediately places one inside that group ... in the same fashion as one who claims to be Christian places him/her within the group known as Christians. By publicly volunteering your status as an Atheist, you have voluntarily put on the badge of Atheism thus making you a part of that group. Like it or not, that is the way it is.

 

I would be happy with a link to his citations. That's what I was asking you for. That you affirm them is irrelevant. Surely, you can at least point me to the points of his with which you agree?

Thank you for your service. But your personal experience is anecdotal at best. A person should come to a debate prepared to defend his position with data.

Then you should have no problem backing it up, eh?

 

That is ridiculous. As ridiculous as me associating you with Fred Phelps or the Ku Klux Klan because you are a professed Christian.

 

Are you an Atheist? Yes or No. If 'Yes' then you are a member of that group known as 'Atheists'. Plain and simple. You desire to call it ridiculous, that is fine.. but that is also irrelevant. Either you are an Atheist or you are not an Atheist. You see, I am not calling you anything... as I stated... if you publicly profess to be an Atheist, then it is YOU who has placed yourself within that group... not me. Therefore, your analogy of you associating me with Fred Phelps or the Ku Klux Klan is also irrelevant, as I have not claimed to be a member of either of those groups that you reference.

 

Both are Christian organizations. You can no more claim that atheists are represented by any of the 14 organizations you referenced than I can claim you are represented by Fred Phelps--by the logic you so deftly employed no less--you have not claimed to be a member!

Now if a person says "I am a member of the United Atheist Foundation" then you may infer that they will have beliefs consistent with that organization. But merely identifying oneself as "atheist" no more aligns them with that group than does your professed Christianity align you with The Klan. Or the Conservative Citizens Coalition or whatever they're calling themselves these days.