Do we really have justice?all rapists, murderes, and kidknappers should be executed

they are no longer part of the community. they provide nothing for the community, all they do is sit there. there is no reason everyone in the community should provide for that person, when htat person provides nothing in return

 

As far as I am concerned they took it away from themselves by committing the crime.

 

If you are willing to pay for the execution and to perform the execution yourself, then go for it. But my guess is that 99% of people who support the death penalty wouldn't have the guts to actually kill someone.

 

1% would be enough to get the job done.

 

You couldn't do it. Saying you could do something and actually doing it are not the same.

 

Mak, I personally would have NO issues with it. I would even provide the service for free if called upon to do it. I feel there is no place on this planet for some scum and my thoughts on it would override all else. Dont think i would ever lose a wink of sleep.

 

efjay i believe we could be very very good friends

 

Yeah, that turned out to be bull(*)(*)(*)(*). He's never getting out of prison.

 

Over 140 convicted death row inmates have later been found to be innocent based upon physical (DNA) evidence that established that they were not responsible for the crime. Unquestionably hundreds of others are innocent but because of a lack of physical evidence they cannot establish that they are innocent. A conviction does not establish guilt but instead establishes that the evidence presented in the trial, not all evidence, presented an argument that removed "reasonable doubt" but additional evidence often not available or presented at the trial would have established that the defendant was innocent.

The above is the advocating of premeditated murder of innocent people. I'm sure that any of us would object to being murdered by the government for a crime that we did not commit.

This also ignores the fact that as individuals we have no Right (power) to commit the premediated murder of another individual. If we don't have that Right (power) then we cannot delegate that Right (power) to our government. All authority originates with the People and we can only delegate powers that we, as individuals, possess. It also fails to address the fact that justice is not about imposing a penalty upon an individual but instead it is about an attempt to achieve a fair decision related to the possible guilt of an individual related to a crime. The appeals process is mandatory to ensure that the correct determination is made in most cases but, as history indicates, even with the appeals process many innocent people are convicted in a court of law. Such cases reflect a failure of justice.

 

The cost of executing someone is higher, because of the costs of the justice system involved, because of this thing we have in the United States called the Constitution.

Now, apparently, according to your flag, you live in the Penal Colony, so maybe you have a different set of rules. But here in the States, we want to make it (*)(*)(*)(*) hard for the State to kill someone, because we realize the State is a much bigger threat to civilization than any one criminal.

 

Is that really justice? If by justice you mean "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", would it not be more appropriate to sodomize all rapists with a broomstick?

 

Wrap some barbed wire around it first.

 

Maurice "Mom" Boucher is the leader of the Hells Angels biker gang and a white supremacist. He ordered the murders of a wide number of people over three decades, expanded drug trafficking in Quebec, and initiated a "biker war". The result of this "war" left an 11 year old dead, killed by a car bomb detonated in front of a school. In his younger days he was arrested numerous times for rape and assault. He currently serves a 25 year sentence in prison soaking up tax dollars from the people he exploited and preyed upon. By executing him when he committed those unforgivable crimes in his younger days that 11 year old child never would have been blown up.

Karla Homolka is serial murderer and rapist convicted of luring teenage girls into her van, along with her boyfriend, in order to kidnap, rape, and murder them. She manipulated and lied to the police in order to get a shorter jail sentence. She also committed the same crimes on her own sister. She served her sentence, soaked up tax dollars, wasted funds on a long drawn out trial in which everyone knew she (and her boyfriend) was guilty. Had she been executed thousands of dollars wouldn't have been wasted feeding her and putting her through a needlessly extended and bogus trial.

And finally the Norway bomber. I choose to use this example because well, it's the most recent and happens to be the best example from recent history. One crazy guy kills 70 and injures 90 by using a bomb and a firearm. He will be most likely sent to Halden Prison (link below). That's right, the man who blew up a building and massacred tons of innocent people (most of which are the children of people he disagrees with) will be in a luxury prison. How is it justice when people who directly cause pain and suffering to over a hundred people and trauma to many many others get this kind of special treatment? He deserves a bullet to the head. Nothing more and nothing less.

Here is that link. It is a series of pictures arranged as a slide show on youtube. Yes, that's a maximum security prison.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZUvDMdnik"]World's Nicest Prison: Halden Prison, Norway - YouTube[/ame]

 

If you're really opposed to the death penalty, you need to turn your computer off - the AC current that powers it has its beginnings in some awful places...

Thomas Edison

 

Actually it is. A college student at Colorado State University was conconvicted of exactly that. Why were you on a jury if that isn't the law?

 

Of course, we can see the difference. Did you make that distinction in your original post?

 

I sooo agree with you. 100 years ago, before the Friends invented it, there were no real prisons, only holding cells for executions or forced labor.

It is really ironic that we have to pay for healthcare and schooling of criminals in prison, when we drown in student loans to get half of that for ourselves.

I think the problem is that the number of legislations went up 100 fold in the 20th century, so as life goes on, most people end up "guilty" of a crime or another by the time they hit 30.

So the question becomes, who to execute and who not to, and what shall be for the ones that are not to, because unskilled free labor is cheaper than prison labor. They are useless and a burden during their sentences.

 

I think there should be a "3 strikes" law for rapists. On their third strike they would have to choose between one of three options: life-time imprisonment, castration, or being locked into a steel "chastity belt". If the latter option was chosen, they would have to periodically go to law enforcement officials to have the inside cleaned.

 

That seems ridiculous.

anyway on to the topic. 'Justice' is something defined by us. We all have a different sense of justice than one another. I am sure you would want a person dead if they raped you. That would be your perception of justice. I believe our court systems should be fair and balanced. I do not want a government to quite simply kill off the undesirables because a claim has been made against them that 12 random people choose whether is true.

There have been many cases where someone convicted of murder has been proven innocent. Had we killed them they would be the ones suffering the injustice. I wish we could prove with 100% certainty for every case with no problem. If we could I would say they should suffer proportional punsishment. 'an eye for an eye' as they say.

Rapists taking away a person right to privacy and their selves would lose their rights to live in the outside world. We could stick em in a cement box for the rest of their life like we do now, where they are on open display with no privacy and no real contact with the outside world. Hell they may even get raped while in there so theres some bonus points.

We would kill off the killers and solve that problem.

but the fact of the matter is the justice system is not perfect. It never will be. Until we can prove with 100% accuracy a claim against someone we can never have proportional justice.

 

Many simply don't understand what justice means. Justice has absolutely nothing to do with punishment. It has to do with the process that makes every attempt to ensure that the innocent are not convicted of a crime that they didn't commit. The Criminal Justice System is a process and not an outcome.

 

Many convicted of rape (and even murder) did not commit the crime. What about those individuals?