Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

Good points.

IMO, Israel should consider accepting women, young children and elderly men at least for the duration of the war.
Nevertheless, the states and organizations that have expressed support and concern for the plight of civilians in Gaza should be the first to accept refugees.
Egypt has a border with Gaza and as a member of the OAU it is legally bound by accept refugees from Gaza.

 

1. Mostly false, the other, a red herring.

2. see answer to 1.

3. You're projecting your own sides activities.

4. Nobody is free to criticise White Jewish Europeans or they will face sanctions. This is widely known.

You also ended by quoting somebody that totally undermined your entire post. lol

 

This is my argument: "In war, truth is the first casualty." Aeschylus et al (525 BC - 456 BC)

A quick glance at the MSM reveals many attacks on prominent Jews. For example:


The Week
https://theweek.com › Politics
Chuck Schumer, feckless hack
Nov 16, 2018 — ... corrupt. In his first two years as Senate minority leader, Schumer had two main priorities. First, preserve his vulnerable moderates running ...https://theweek.com/articles/807860/chuck-schumer-feckless-hack


The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2023/08/04 › ivank...
Opinion | Jared and Ivanka are slinking back to Gomorrah
Aug 4, 2023 — A scent of corruption is in the air as Trump's daughter and son-in-law return to the family game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/04/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-corruption-return/

 

That is far from reasonable. Unless you can point out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people. non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government, in the region outside Israel, you have to concede that Israel is not the one engaged in cleansing.

The claim that "If Israel only gave up some land, there would be peace" is false. This is about cleansing the land like they have already accomplished in the rest of the region.

Sorry, but you cannot make a case of bloodthirst when describing the response to being attacked. One side is about killing while Israelis focus on advancing their people. They are a thriving country, making progress in science, tech, medicine, and agriculture. I realize that this is not the fault of the people; its their leadership keeping them angry and primitive to preserve their willingness to be exploited as pawns for Jew haters.

Still not a single word about improving the lives of these people.

 

I have only seen 2 sides. Pro Israel and anti-Israel. I have never seen a single post about improving the lives of the Palestinian people, so there is no pro-Palestinian side.

The "Children are being slaughtered" line is why they put their children in harms way. While Israel rushes their children into shelters at the first sign of danger, the other side rushes their terrorists underground, leaving women and children in harms way hoping for casualties so people can post line like yours. This is because the lives of these people have little to no value to their leadership. They value images they can use to fight the PR war against Israel.

Now that they have elevated tensions by raping, mutilating, and kidnapping (As if murder wasn't enough) they have placed Israel in an even more difficult situation where restraint is not an option.

Demonizing Israel is the same as defending hamas.

 

Please tell us how you defend Oct 7th.

 

I think Israel should be first to accept the refugees, since it is the one doing the destruction (yes along with Hamas), and absent an effective ethnic cleansing, it is the one who will have to most deal with the aftermath anyway.

 

That's a false dichotomy. Just because another country may be ethnic cleansing doesn't mean Israel isn't.

Yes. I agree. Nettanyahu regime wants to cleanse the land.

Yes you can. You absolutely can. It depends on what the response is.

Yes there has been. See my posts above.

 

Yes. That's the problem I see in your thinking. You are thinking in binary, and the world isn't binary. Being against Nettanyahu regime indiscriminately killing palestinian civilians is not being anti-Israel. And while we're on the topic, speaking against Israel isn't anti-jew either.

That's wilful blindness on your part.

And the above line is Nettanyahu's excuse for killing them. Neither is in the right here. He has shaped the IDF to kill people on sight, even escaped hostages, making little to no effort to identify them first. He has formed an IDF that blows up food aid trucks and rescue workers trying to save children whose familes have just been killed.

That may be true, but it is not an excuse to kill those women and children.

Restraint against women and children who did not attack you and are merely trying to survive while Hamas abuses them and the IDF murders them is always an option.

No. No it is not. This is a major flaw in your binary thinking. Both Nettanyahu and Hamas are problems here, and it needs to be pointed out. They both need to be gone so more reasonable and less bloodthirsty people can actually try to create a lasting peace.

 

Do you mean how I defend it as a good thing? I don't. It was horrible.
Do you mean how do you prevent such a thing? Better intelligence. Better security. A guy comes flying over in a hang glider with guns.... you should probably shoot him before he lands. Note, that's not the same as preventing food, water and electricity from going in, or shooting unarmed escaped hostages trying to surrender.

 

If this is in reply to my comment that Nobody is free to criticise White Jewish Europeans or they will face sanctions, then I'm sorry but it falls woefully short of disproving my sentiment.

It's borderline irrelevant.

 

We don't have to defend a prison rebellion of ppl wrongly convicted from birth.

It should go without saying.

Not to mention October 7 involved mass murder of Israelis by IDF. How do you defend that little inconvenient factoid is the real question!

 

I admire your willingness to admit that the anti-Israel side is cleansing. Israel is by far the most diverse country in the region. The claim that Israel is cleansing can easily be refuted with facts. The Arab population in Israel is growing. (Thats the opposite of cleansing) Arab Israelis are happy living in Israel.

Its not Netty's fault Palestinian leadership attacked, raped, mutilated, murdered, and kidnapped innocent Israelis, then sent their cowards to hide behind their own women and children so they can sell more of what many are eager to consume.

Still not a word on improving the lives of these people.

 

"Nuh uh" is not a valid argument. Please use the "quote" feature and show a post about improving the lives of the Palestinian people. Lines like "If only Israel would stop bombing them" is not an answer. Israel is responding to attacks. Attacking Israel does not improve their lives.

 

You should be posting in the Conspiracy section.

 

Conspiracy turns into fact a month later. You're already passed your sell by date.

 

The example I gave you were right on point. Prominent Jews are subjected to harsh criticism in the MSM everyday.
Google: Dershowitz, Soros for countless examples. Their critics do not face "sanctions".

 

Hamas should have been the first to let them shelter in one of their 6 mile long tunnels.

 

Do you mean like them having reliable food, shelter, water, etc? We could send them that. Or do you mean more long term, like building better infrastructure, businesses, transit, universities, international trade, etc? That would all help too.
Too bad the IDF blew most of that up and is blocking and/or attacking aid trucks

 

The example you gave shows nothing and is irrelevant. Please show us in detail how white JewISH europeans are criticized without the person being sanctioned or cancelled, because your example was devoid of that..

 

Those shelters /tunnels are for Israeli prisoners. If Israel was to give up some of the thousands of palestinian prisoners then hamas would reciprocate and there would be more room in tunnels for palestinians

 

IDF is only responding to attacks. If Israel backed off, removed barriers, and Gaza was free to import anything they wanted, what do you think will happen?

 

Two problems here;
- in the past, Israel has declared anyone who leaves as forgoing any right to return.
- Israel isn't allowing people to leave - probably because they have no way of determining who is Hamas and who is not.

 

Oh really? Why would you believe that? That's as delusional as somebody claiming Hamas is only defending Gaza.

There is a difference between importing weapons and importing food, water, trade goods, etc.

And I note you didn't react to my having listed a bunch of things that would improve the lives of Palestinians, which you pretended nobody has before.

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/movement-and-out-gaza-update-covering-august-2023

Anti-Zionists should really start using google instead of their own twisted imagination.