Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

That is for the democratic process in the parliamentary democracy of Israel to decide.

 

Yup, and Netanyahu knows he doesn't have a chance. That is why he is trying to prolong the war. He knows that he can delay elections as long as the conflict continues.

 

When you come on a board like this and repeat out and out lies, the no. of times you repeat those lies doe snot make the lie any more valid.

You are well aware Netanyahu did not create Hamas.Its comments like those which are lazy that simply render what you say shrill.

Hamas was never created by Netanyahu as you are well aware more than anyone. What you imply falsely is because his governments funded charities affiliated with Hamas, this means he created Hamas.

That is utter and absolute bullsheeyat. It is absolutely true Netanyahu funded Hamas affiliated charities. At the time he did the PA was stealing all the aid money being sent to Gaza and the West Bank. That of course you do not mention. The charities affiliated with Hamas themselves were not involved in terrorism. The aid money was for food, clothing, building of mosques, schools,roads, hospitals, apartments. That you do not mention.

Interesting that when Israel NOT any Arab League nation provided such help that is twisted to be misrepresented as supporting Hamas terrorism.

Get this clear. Many Israelis and Jews like me who live outside Israel (and like you both non Israeli) may not like Netanyahu. Myself I have made clear openly I supported Kadima and Labour and still do.

That is not the issue. The issue is that for any foreign elected politician including Schumer can not and should not comment on the internal choices Israeli citizens make to elect someone anymore than Israeli elected politicians should make comments on who Americans should elect.

Next your blanket opinion statement that Netanyahu never had any intention of making peace, when you know it is public record Hamas actually stated that and so did Arafat of the PA and Abbas of the PA has made it clear he will never recognize any Jewish state in Israel is ridiculous.

As well the peace offers Israel has repeatedly made and were rejected are public domain.

 

You left out a whole lot on the list .. Mao, Pol Pot, USA, Israel, were also guilty of intentionally killing civilians... this crime against humanity is not that new.. although it is a level higher in visibility than normal ..

 

Terrorist go after weak targets. Unarmed civilians. You need to show proof this is what the US does/has done.

 

I again repeat the thread headline makes a statement posed as a rhetorical question which suggests Israel is starving Gaza civilians as a deliberate military tactic. Claims Israel is deliberately starving Hamas civilians have been repudiated time and time again as being false. There are breakdowns in the supply chain distributing the food and other supplies that are NOT caused by the IDF and they are openly documented by third party sources. Next if there was wide spread or any starvation in Gaza bloated stomachs of children and people dying of malnutrition from not eating would be in sufficient documented numbers to prove it. Not even Hamas has presented such claims.

What is fact is that it is very difficult to line up to get food due to civilians rushing trucks or Hamas forcing it away from civilians.

It is unfortunate these threads turn into shrill one sided Hamas diatribe by arm chair geniuses who have no clue how to find Gaza, live in a world defined by their selective scanning of web sites on their cell phone or in some cases, spam from our good friends in Russia, North Korea, or my favourite and I know many of them, the info desk in Tehran that disseminates false info.

Lol we all live in a yellow submarine or to be precise, a world of disinformation.

Now one last thing. Unlike the person I responded to above, I was in Gaza and volunteered building roads and worked with Gaza civilians. It did not mean I supported Hamas but I certainly was asked to serve as a volunteer medic cleaning the feet of children and assisting with sanitary needs.

So when I read false horsesheeyat about Netanyahu and Hamas I respond and this coming from someone unlike the person I respond to comes from someone who actually debated Israelis who supported Netanyahu. THE DIFFERENCE IS I do not in times of war or any other time, assume to tell an Israeli how to vote and would not engage in comments as to the internal choices Israelis make during a war. Those who agitate for the removal of Netanyahu try exploit what may indeed be internal tensions but they are NOT Israeli. Israelis no better. Israelis no that no leader they have ever had was internally popular.

 

Biden and company have been hinting about regime change in Israel. We all know what happened to the pipeline between Russia and Germany when Biden stated the transfer of gas would end.

 

Wrong. Not only should we be commenting in public what Israel should do but we MUST. I have zero problem with declarations made in public. It is the behind the scenes influencing and rigging of the election that I have problems with. However, in public I think our politicians do not only have the right, but the DUTY of saying what we want to see happen in Israel. We massively fund Israel. We should have say in how those funds are used to support US interests in the region. Those funds do not come as a blank check that they can use to work against US interests like they are doing by slaughtering civilians and destabilizing all of the Middle East.

Israel schemed to bring Hamas into power by facilitating funds to them through Qatar. This was so that Hamas could build infrastructure, schools, hospitals, etc, thereby gaining overwhelming public support so that Hamas won in the election. You are being willfully naive if you think that was done simply to help the poor Palestinians in their plight. That was a calculated move to ensure the PA did not win in the elections, as Israel believed the Palestinians could be controlled more easily without a unified government. Divide and conquer was the strategy. Netanyahu sid that Hamas was "the gift that kept on giving" and that all politicians should want Hamas in power, as it continued to give Israel an excuse to keep Gaza under their thumb.

 

You are addressing one of many who come on this and other boards and engage in accusations they never back up. They have been brought up in an environment where they believe they can just blindly repeat what they think they scanned of a headline on their cell phone. I doubt the person you address knows what plagiarism is, footnotes, citations, etc., let alone reads more than a sentence and has ever been required to engage in critical analysis or debate. They live in a world of simplistic 10 second messages not to be questioned. The person you address could care less if you or I presented and referenced facts to the contrary of what they say.

Welcome to the world of zombies.

 

They live in a world of Marxist teachings where lies and propaganda are justified as in the means justifies their goals. Violence and chaos is also a part of Marxist teachings which we see throughout our country and at our northern and southern borders.

 

Israel provided security in the Gaza Strip until they left in 2005. Israel built all the infrastructure and schools in Gaza. Your claim that Israel left so that Hamas could take over and then Israel could keep Gaza under their thumb is ridiculous.

 

Lol, it was the Israeli politicians that said it, not me. I'm just telling you what they think. Here is Israel's Finance minister Bezalel Smotrich:


https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1659921474893774850

 

Some guy named Muhammad Shehada posts an out of context but current video clip of a low level Israeli official and that is your proof that Israel left Gaza 2 decades ago in order to bring Hamas into power in Gaza so that Israel could put Gaza under their thumb?

 

There is plenty of information out there about how Hamas has long been part of Bibi's strategy. Here is on article talking about it:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035


A few excerpts from the article:

"Supporting Hamas rule in Gaza, those critics say, allowed Netanyahu to confine the Palestinian Authority to the West Bank and weaken it, dividing the Palestinians into two mutually antagonistic blocs."


"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel's regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday's Likud faction meeting said," the Post reported.
"The prime minister also said that 'whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for' transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state."

 

To claim that Israel supports Hamas is ridiculous.

 

Israel did not support Hamas. Netanyahu, the Likud party, and their like-thinking allies did. That is why they need to go, as it is their policies that brought about this nightmare, and that is perpetuating it.

They need to go, as does Hamas, for the good of Israelis and Palestinians.

 

Israe is a parliamentary democracy not a dictatorship. Your assertion is ridiculous.

 

What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if someone is elected it is impossible for them to do wrong??? Hell, Hamas was elected, as was Hitler. What about my assertion is ridiculous?

 

Not according to US intelligence assessments:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel...gence-assessment-hamas-resistance-last-years/

Some excerpts:

Israel's military will "struggle to neutralize" Hamas's sprawling underground tunnel systems and is likely to face "lingering armed resistance" from the militant group "for years to come," according to a new global threat assessment compiled by the U.S. intelligence community.

In accompanying public testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Monday, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said the war in Gaza had fueled violent acts by terror groups worldwide.

The crisis "has galvanized violence by a range of actors around the world and, while it is too early to tell, it is likely that the Gaza conflict will have a generational impact on terrorism," Haines said. "Both al Qaeda and ISIS, inspired by Hamas, have directed supporters to conduct attacks against Israeli and U.S. interests," she said.

The ODNI assessment, which represents the collective analysis of the 18 intelligence agencies comprising the U.S. intelligence community, also said the "viability" of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's leadership and governing coalition "may be in jeopardy."
"Distrust of Netanyahu's ability to rule has deepened and broadened across the public from its already high levels before the war, and we expect large protests demanding his resignation and new elections," it says. "A different, more moderate government is a possibility."


Netanyahu has been a disaster not only for Israel, but also the USA and the world. Israel deserves better. The sooner Netanyahu steps down and an election is held, the better. The time for that is NOW, not after the war.

 

Hamas was founded in 1987. Netanyahu was Israel's ambassador to the UN at the time. How exactly did he create Hamas?

Sure, let's ask Clinton.

Going back to her husband’s administration, Mrs. Clinton reminded viewers that there could have been a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza 23 years ago, had only the Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat accepted the Clinton Parameters, President Bill Clinton’s peace plan. After intensive negotiations at Camp David the Israeli leader Ehud Barak accepted the Clinton plan, but Arafat rejected it, flew back home and set off the second intifada, a terrorist onslaught that claimed the lives of 1000 Israelis, most of them civilians.
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Watch the video of her interview on The View for more details.
https://www.camera.org/article/hillary-clinton-sets-the-israel-gaza-record-straight-on-the-view/

Ehud Barak was PM then, not Netanyahu. Oops.

 

He may not have directly created Hamas, but he sure as hell has been behind ensuring Hamas held power over the years. See #914.
And Israeli policies towards Palestine has certainly created the conditions that a group like Hamas emerges from. When you push a people far enough, they are going to strike back. Are their actions justifiable? no. Killing innocents never is. But that applies to the Israeli response as well.

 

Classic antisemitic trope about Jews plotting to take over the world. Every claim made by anti-Zionists is based on old antisemitic tropes, antisemitic conspiracy theories, and blood libels.

 

Hamas was founded by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and funded by Iran. The PLO was founded and funded by the Soviet Union. Neither emerged from the local Arab population.

 

Are you denying that Bezalel Smotrich said those things? He doesn't deny them.

 

Your point?? I'm not denying any of that. Are you denying that Netanyahu facilitated funding to Hamas through Qatar? It's not a secret.