Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

Marwan Barghouti is like #1 on Hamas and the Palestinian's list to be released in the exchange.



'Hamas demands 50 released prisoners for every female soldier - report'
'According to the report, Hamas wants its terms for a hostage deal to be carried in three stages, with each stage lasting 42 days'


'T'he report specified that for every female soldier released by Hamas, Israel must release 50 Palestinian prisoners. it also mentioned that 30 of the prisoners that Hamas demanded to be released are serving life sentences in Israeli prison.

cont:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-792152

 

How many Hamas members have been reported killed by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health so far?

The issue is not so much the number, but the status of the victims. All terrorists killed are obviously reported as civilian casualties.

 

I don't see any problems with those numbers. I'm sure they fluctuate quite a lot from day to day. If they are within a couple thousand, I think that is more than enough accuracy. There will likely be tens of thousands more when they start excavating the rubble.

 

You don't see any problem with accusing Israel of genocide based on inaccurate data.

Yet another proof that anti-Zionism is based on lies, deception, and contempt for logic and critical thinking.

 

Not much of a problem when two thirds are women and children. I suppose you think they are all terrorists too? Even if EVERY adult male was Hamas, that still leaves 20,000 women and children dead. And I seriously doubt that anywhere close to every adult male was Hamas.

 

Any inaccuracies are going to end up meaning a MUCH higher death toll, not lower. It is very difficult to retrieve all bodies without heavy equipment to move all of the rubble. So no, I don't see the problem.

 

A two state solution will never happen. A two state solution is not possible.

Why is it obvious that a two state solution is the only solution? There were effectively two states in 2005. Israel had completely pulled out of the Gaza Strip leaving all the infrastructure including an operational airport and a functioning economy which had a 10% unemployment rate before 9/11/01. The PA was in control of the government of Gaza. There were two states.

Hamas violently took control of Gaza and turned it into a hell hole.

A two state solution is not possible with the genocidal terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah funded by Iran exist. QED.

 

And again most of the 30,000 are genocidal Hamas terrorists. Hamas has admitted that.

 

Lol, Israeli 'leadership' knew EXACTLY what it was doing when it facilitated money to ensure Hamas would win. Look earlier to see what I posted about it. I won't repost it here now. With Netanyahu gone, and US pressure ensuring that Israel stays honest, and likely international peacekeepers in place, a 2 state solution WILL occur. There is no other possibility, as much as you think otherwise.

 

So, you are saying all the women and children are terrorists. Uh huh. Well, at least you admit there are 30,000 dead. Some others here won't even admit that much.

 

How do you know that two thirds are women and children? Do you really believe what a terrorist organization tells you?

How does Hamas know that two thirds are women and children? Hamas is no longer in control of much of Gaza. How do they manage to count the dead with all the Israeli soldiers around?

 

Have you not read any of the articles posted about the accuracy of Palestinian Health Ministry? They are not Hamas terrorists. They are respectable doctors and nurses, and their counts have been very close to the UN's own assessments in all past conflicts.

Or do you assume that ALL Palestinians are Hamas? Do you think there is no humanity in Gaza?

I do believe the numbers, especially when I see the devastation on the ground in Palestine. I'm surprised there hasn't been MORE casualties, quite frankly. Though, the numbers will grow dramatically once the rubble and wreckage starts getting cleared.

 

The alternative universe is operational fueled by faith based narratives.

 

From the horse's mouth:

“No one has correct numbers, that’s not possible anymore,” Health Ministry official Mehdat Abbas said. “People are thrown in the streets. They’re under the rubble. Who can count the bodies and release the death toll in a press conference?”​

https://apnews.com/article/palestin...y-gaza-hamas-fe30cbc76479fa437d5f5a0e96c36e52

 

What I am saying is that the Hamas controlled Ministry of Health is not being truthful. Been through this all before.

 

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree. You believe the Netanyahu regime, and I believe the UN and Palestinian Health Ministry.

 

You read that article and somehow came away thinking that the numbers are over counted? Really?? lol

 

Israel doesn't allow access in a way that can bolt down numbers as they usually do - with multiple sources, for example.

But, there is no evidence that death counts are are too high.

For example, there are numerous bodies under the rubble, and those are not counted - including by Hamas.

 

I believe Hamas when they are forced to be truthful as in their response to the 2009 Goldstone Report.

 

Actually the part that says everything about what he really thinks is that he suggested the intentional targeting, torture, murder, and abduction of the elderly, women, and children as a "logical response" by Hamas.

 

I wonder if they're being added to covid death tallies too.

 

Bingo.

 

Translation: "I trust Hamas".

 

The evidence is that the numbers come from the Hamas controlled Gazan Ministry of Health which does not differentiate between Hamas terrorists and “civilians”. They also count as children anyone under the age of 19. And the historical record shows that Hamas admits that most of the deaths are Hamas terrorists.

 

I haven't read this thread in a while....but getting back into it...its obvious you have those who want the jews destroyed and Israel obliterated and you have those who want Hamas destroyed and Palestinians defeated and accepting Israel. I'm thinking it's getting more honest.