Do You Support a Constitutional Convention?

What is wrong with the 17th Amendment?

 

What is wrong with pledging Allegiance to your country?

Any evidence for this?

 

lol. Seriously? what's the point?

The politicians, judiciary and parties don't really respect or adhere to anything in the "living document" now....why would anyone believe they'd respect or adhere to a newly amended Constitution?

They're looking for outcomes, they're not really interested in impartially protecting the individual natural rights, liberties and opportunities our forebears recognized, acknowledged and secured for past, current and future generations, so they make it up as they go along...they deem a need, then conveniently interpret already sketchy precedent to deliver it. rinse-repeat.

The sad reality is that once the General Welfare Clause was bastardized to apply to individuals and identity groups, and not the confederation of states, constitutional limitations on central government were thrown by the wayside....the document was rendered virtually worthless. US citizens could then be compelled to, oh, I don't know, purchase a product from the private sector as a condition of being alive and over the age of twenty-five.

You're a subject. full circle.

 

Everything for me personally. No one needs to pledge allegiance to anyone or anything. What's in one's heart is the only thing that counts. For those who feel the need to, that's their personal business unless they force it on another. The Pledge is really meant to grovel to the US government.

Already posted.

 

As clearly stated in the 14th Amendment.

 

You know that it is the BELLAMY salute, not the Nazi salute right?

 

No? It looks like both to me. Damn, glad you straightened me out lol.

“the embarrassing resemblance between the ‘Heil Hitler’ salute and the salute that accompanied the Pledge of Allegiance,”

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-americans-gave-the-bellamy-salute-3322328

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

 

LOL glad you can admit that! Did you really just use the pic of the kids as your evidence? And not read the actual words in the article which you linked to?

 

Evidence of what? I knew about the Bellamy sieg heil salute many years ago. What is there you don't recognize in the photo?

 

Wait, so you were just being sarcastic when you said "Damn, glad you straightened me out?"

 

No, this is pernicious. You're basically saying we should overthrow the Constitution completely. The Constitution IS America in a very real sense. What of America is left after the Constitution is gone?

 

Duh.

 

I tend to think the Declaration of Independence is America. But a new Constitution is dangerous, especially when the current one contains the mechanism within it to fix the problems with it.

 

The Declaration is just that, a Declaration. It is extremely important in international law as being the source of our legal sovereignty but it has little to no effect on us especially as to our day to day activities. The Constitution tell us what must, and far more importantly must not, actually DO to be a nation of free people. And a nation of free people is a very delicate and difficult contrivance whose success is far from guaranteed at any time and which the Constitution has done an admirable job at preserving over 200 years. This CC takes that success for granted, a very bad idea IMO.

Far more desirable is that we somehow ensure we will take on a new public awareness of just how important it is that we elect people of proven ability, unimpeachable integrity and unshakeable good will to all our political offices. I just hope that our present nightmare is impressing this lesson on us in a way we will not soon forget. The current idea of what we expect politicians to be should be only a joke, and a pretty bad joke at that.

 

The Constitution (especially the Bill of Rights) is based on the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration is the essence and birthright of true American ideology. It had little value in international law in terms of our legal sovereignty. It could just as easily have been ignored by other nations as illegitimate. What actually did have value and recognition was the Treaty of Paris, 1783.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1783)

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land but it would not exist if not for the Declaration of Independence. That is the true document that tells us what we must do as a nation of free people (see my signature). The Constitution and the US government can be changed but the Declaration is the inviolate philosophy behind a free nation, any free nation.

 

A legitimate question, to be sure. Here's another: why would 34 states, having gone through an amendment process never before employed in US history and ratified meaningful amendments, suffer the politicians to violate them? Do you really imagine such a process would not be accompanied by a massive turnover in Congress?

Actually it does no such thing. It was drafted not to tell the People what to do, but to tell their servants what the People want done.

 

"Bellamy SIEG HEIL salute?" What the hell are you talking about?

 

While there are indeed many things I would change if I had the opportunity, the chances of positive change coming out of a convention are so low as to approach zero.

 

That's your opinion. I guess that's why the founding fathers gave up?

 

Don't let your brain override your emotions.

 

A hate speech exception would be added to the first. Don't bother.

 

It is readily apparent that the only people pushing for a Constitutional convention are Libertarians. They had their opportunity under the Articles of Confederation and that turned out to be a complete and utter disaster so I don't trust them when it comes to the Constitution.

If they want to amend the Constitution we have right now then they can follow the existing process.

There is no need for a Constitutional Convention.

 

You really don't have a clue.

 

A hate speech exception? Can you post a copy and paste of whatever you are talking about? I didn't see that. I'm not saying it isn't there.

 

Ironic!