Do you support federal funding of abortion?

FH, need to see how Cady answers the question(s) first.

 

I believe this is an attempt to show that a woman who has an abortion "kills her kin," and is therefore a murderer.

 

In a stillbirth, there is a birth, so the the man and woman would be its parents. In a miscarriage, there is no birth, so the man and woman would be the expectant parents. They do not become parents until the birth of the child.

 

Well, that would be silly... abortion isn't murder, gee who'd be stupid enough to think that!?

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Did you have a point?

 

Generically, stillborn=dead at birth.

Birth details the passing of the previously unborn through the birth canal and on exit the unborn is now born, be he or she, alive or dead. If he or she passes whole or even in pieces technically each passed from and along the same maternal anatomy eventually terminating the journey outside the vagina...one is born whole while the other is born in pieces, both are born, both would have parents, yes?

 

Nope, wasn't my thought. I have stated in the past that I see, at a minimum, two victims for every abortion.

Life isn't fair, women were designed to be appealing to the male of the species and her anatomy allows her to bear children (future generations). My understanding that even mothers who lose their children are still mothers, same for fathers.

 

So you didn't have a point.

 

You've simply missed it my dear.

 

Ok, do we berate the people who die in a plane crash .. do we say, "oh it's there own fault for taking the risk"

I really have no idea how that relates to the discussion.

 

If you want to be specific

Birth - The emergence of a baby or other young from the body of its mother; the start of life as a physically separate being:

If it is stillborn, a natural abortion (miscarriage) or an induced abortion, there is no 'start of life'

A mother is - A woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth.

 

As did you.

 

The man and woman are parents at the time of the birth, according to the Oxford dictionary.

 

I support abortion up until the 936th week. After that, the child is a legal adult and only then can they decide for themselves if they wish to die or not.

 

Doesn't the start of life begin with conception?

 

Cady you're dancing all around it. When the unborn leave their Mother's nurturing and protective womb and traverse the birth canal they are then following (at least geographically) the route the birthing journey follows.

 

The start of life was many millions of years ago, conception is just the continuation of that, even if you are a religious person the start of life was when god created the earth and filled it with floral and fauna .. humankind came along a little after that.

There is a big difference between human (adj) life and a human (noun) life and as far as I am concerned, and a whole lot of subject specialist are concerned conception is the 'start' of human (adj) life, not a human (noun) life. Up to the point of differentiation each of the 200+ cells are identical, clones of the original there is no human (noun) at this point, after differentiation there may be a stronger case, but again for me there is no human (noun) until there is consistent brain wave activity and even then I still find the case for the women greater than for the fetus as no person can be forced to sustain the life of another in civil law regardless of how that person came to be in the situation.

All in all I believe that the biological and legal evidence supports the woman far more than the fetus.

Some ask about the moral argument, but then I don't believe in universal or inherited morals and have seen no compelling arguments to suggest otherwise.

 

"Traversing the birth canal" doesn't equal birth. How can a woman be a mother when there is no baby? And abortion is not birth, so don't go down that road, please.

 

Based on what authority?

 

Well, it follows the same geographical/physiological course, although a noted difference is the condition of the child's body and life functions. The parents of an aborted child/children are simply parents of a dead child/children. No reason to avoid the thought, the U.S. government is supportive of this.

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What authority do you respect?

 

Again, abortion does not equal birth and without a baby, there are no parents.

Not one that claims to know as fact when "life begins."

 

Abortion takes a living developing human being in one phase of human life and expels the body from the womb and through the birth canal to the world outside heretofore his or her mother's protective body intentionally killing the child during the process. Other than utilizing means to meet the objective of death it is the same journey. Isn't the body (whole or even in pieces) of the aborted (newborn, baby, child, etc?) evidence that he or she has a mother and father. Blood of blood, flesh of flesh, bone of bone? When our parents, brothers or sisters die are they no longer our parents, brothers and sisters, is there no evidence that can be presented to prove those relationships?

I get it about what's not but just as interesting can be what is...what, if any and if you feel like sharing, authority do you recognize?

 

Fug, you must be a very old man!

Thanks for your perspective.

 

He's right though, life is ongoing. It has no beginning that we can pinpoint. Sperm is alive, ovum are alive, the zef is alive, the baby is alive, the child is alive, the adult is alive and then the process continues again and again.

 

I did not know that mankind is millions/billions of years (uncountable eons) old. I do know I am not, though I believe my joints do protest to much

 

I'm as old as my bones and a little older than my teeth

BTW: the points made about pre-differentiation and after are biologically correct.

A question for you.

Are the following single human beings or two human beings?







I'd also request you give rationale for your answers either way.