Documents Suggest Holder Knew About 'Fast and Furious' Earlier Than He Claimed Read

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  1. DonGlock26

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    Documents Suggest Holder Knew About 'Fast and Furious' Earlier Than He Claimed

    For the first time, documents appear to show Attorney General Eric Holder was made aware of the Operation Fast and Furious earlier than he claimed -- up to 9 nine months earlier.

    The documents seem to contradict what Holder told a House Judiciary Committee on May 3, when he said he could not recall the exact date, but he'd "probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."


    However, in a July 2010 memo, Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder straw buyers in the Operation Fast and Furious case "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

    Also, on October 18, 2010, one of Holder's chief deputies, Lanny Breuer, chief of the department's Criminal Division, told Holder in a memo that prosecutors were ready to issue indictments in Operation Fast and Furious.

    Documents also show, contrary to earlier reports, the Justice Department was aware that ATF agents under the department's direction were involved in the controversial practice known as "gun walking" -- allowing illicit gun sales to proceed to track the traffickers to higher-ups. The department has said it did not allow guns to "walk."

    When agents "let guns walk," they stop surveillance and allow criminals to transfer weapons to others. In this case, that meant allowing the guns to cross the border into Mexico. It is a highly controversial practice agents typically are taught not to do.

    However, in an October 17, 2010 memo, Deputy Attorney General Jason Weinstein asks another attorney in the Criminal Division if Breuer should do a press conference when Fast and Furious is announced, but says, "It's a tricky case, given the number of guns that have walked."

    His associate, James Trusty writes back, "It's not going to be any big surprise that a bunch of US guns are being used in MX (Mexico), so I’m not sure how much grief we'll get for 'gun walking.'"

    Until now, there's been an attempt to portray Operation Fast and Furious as a rogue operation by ATF agents in Phoenix and the Arizona U.S. Attorney's Office. But insiders claim these documents show the Department of Justice in Washington was intimately aware of the case almost from the beginning.

    In response to the documents released today, the Justice Department said Holder’s response referred to when he first learned of the “troubling tactics” of the program. A Justice spokesperson also says that the “gun walking” referred to in the October 2010 email exchange is about another case initiated before Operation Fast and Furious.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...d-furious-earlier-than-claimed/#ixzz1ZmJDzR55


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-about-fast-and-furious-earlier-than-claimed/

    Will Holder pull a Full Hillary and say that he can't remember over and over and over..........? It works for Democrats (whisper- it's the lapdog media). Let a special prosecutor get to the bottom of this deadly case.



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  2. leftlegmoderate

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    And we're expected to believe that an operation of such huge consequence, would simply be authorized by someone within the ATF. That's rich.:laughing:

    There is no way the Chain of Command functions like this in such a scenario.
     
  3. Gator Monroe

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    Holder needs to go (faster than Hank Williams Jr. went from ESPN)
     
  4. Professor Peabody

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    I'm waiting for Holder to implicate Hillary.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see how much he gets buried under.
     
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    As Mark Steyn said today in his column and I believe:

    "It is alleged that the administration chose to facilitate the sale of American weapons to crime kingpins south of the border in order to support a case for gun control north of the border."

    It has been their plan from day 1 to work this into gun control in the US. And geewhiz- it's blowing up in their faces!
     
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    This is still a viable theory, it makes sense.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4831751-503544.html

    I can't get over the irony of Holder's statement above.
     
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    Maybe that's why they lied to them about amnesty in the first year?
     
  10. Consmike

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    Plain and simple the guy lied under Oath. He needs to be investigated, and tried.
     
  11. Radio Refugee

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    It's almost impossible to hypothecate another reason for this program. Nothing offered by the fools in charge makes any sense.
     
  12. Radio Refugee

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    I dunno. After the al-Awlaki precident, I think Holder can be summarily executed.

    Check it out:

    Conspiracy that kills Americans? Yup.

    US citizen? Yup.

    International incident? Yup.

    Drone, Baby, drone!
     
  13. Radio Refugee

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    Holder is squirming. He's locked himself into a story and it's clearly BS. Watch how he lies:

    This is Polibico so their spin will be maximally Holder friendly. Still, it's BS. Also, these lying, thieving criminals at DOJ KNOW not to put too much in any e-mail. All the dirt goes over the phone and out of everyone's reach.
     
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    so now we have proof Holder didnt know until it was too late...

     
  15. Radio Refugee

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    Older story that explains Issa's understanding of the testimony:

     
  16. Radio Refugee

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    No, not even close.

    We have proof Holder felt compelled to lie about his knowledge.
     
  17. The Mello Guy

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    that email wasnt in past tense? indicating he was hearing about it after it occured?
     
  18. Radio Refugee

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    Is it just me or is it getting hot in here?

     
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    perjury isnt a real crime...just ask Scooter Libby or Ollie north
     
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    Very hot.........
     
  21. The Mello Guy

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    so instead of proving he was behind this....

    Issas already settling for a weak perjury accusation?

    what a massive fail.

    almost as sad as Sestakgate
     
  22. mdrobster

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    Hate to say it, but I still think Holder is a "dead-man-walking" here. Obviously all the details are opaque, but I doubt Holder will survive this mess.
     
  23. The Mello Guy

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    all they have done is prove he didnt know about this until after the fact....

    and parse words over what the question was.
     
  24. Trinnity

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    Of course he knew. The admin was behind the whole thing. Duh-
     
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    I don't disagree with you on those facts, and the RW political junk, but one can also argue that Holder should have known and been aware of the pitfalls of this operation. On these types of issues, national politics is very unforgiving.
     

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