Documents Suggest Holder Knew About 'Fast and Furious' Earlier Than He Claimed Read

Utter foolishness.

They have proved AT A MINIMUM that Holder knew of F&F at least 15 months ago. They have also proved Holder needs to be examined for perjury.

 

examine away....

he knew about 15 months ago after it had gone sour, meaning it started before then without his knowledge

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059360-10391695.html

In May Holder said he only learned about it a few weeks ago. But according to documents he was told in 2010. He was testifying in front of congress, its now obvious he lied, this brings into question everything he has said about the program. I understand you have to stick to your partisan guns, but don't you realize it only hurts your credibility and makes one look foolish if they are willing to defend those obviously caught doing things wrong.

 

im not sure why you think any of that contradicts what I said....

the emails indicate he was informed of it after (*)(*)(*)(*) hit the fan....

but suddenly nobody cares who started the program.....now we want to get holder for perjury? ok...if he lied thats fine....

but how come the programs creation is no longer the issue?

 

If that is the case, then why were Kenneth Melson and Dennis Burke reassigned instead of fired?

If they did all this on their own, they should have been (*)(*)(*)(*) canned, not shuffeled back into the DOJ deck.

 

so youre claiming the email referenced in the OP is fabricated or what?

 

No I'm claiming that you would not reassign subordinates that went this far off the reservation all on their own. You would fire them.

 

without an investigation first? im not sure about that.

regardless....are you disputing the content of the ops article which shows holder didnt know until after the fact?

 

I'm not disputing anything. I'm saying that there is enough "smoke" around this whole thing to warrant a special prosecutor.

 

The programs creator is still an issue, I say we get to the bottom of this. Lets get the investigation underway. We need to get all the facts regarding this thing out into the light. Our government keeps far too many secrets as it is. That said, I am also glad to here you say that Holder needs to go, he perjured himself, broke our laws and as the Attorney General he is supposed to be the top lawman. We need to set examples of anyone in government who doesn't follow our laws.

 

I didnt say he needs to go...im saying investigate, and its found he perjured himself then let him go.

 

I concur with that, but letting him go isn't enough. Lying under oath is perjury, from wiki:

I think we need to hold our politicians and government officials to a higher standard. I would love to see punishments for crimes by them have heavier penalties. We give them power over us and they need to be held far more accountable because of it.

 

Word......

 

agree across the board....I didnt mean let him go would be the end of the story...

especially agree with holding them a higher standard.

sadly it always seems thats only the belief when its the other guys in power.

 

Did he stop it right away or run it by Obama?

 

Right? Because how on earth is it possible that ATF agents, whether they carry clout or not, are able to authorize let alone initiate an operation like this? We're talking about the transportation of assault weapons (that means designed to kill humans) across the border of another sovereign nation to some of the very worst criminals on earth.... intentionally. How are ATF agents allowed to engage in international affairs without higher authority, especially an operation such as this? The ATF is part of the DOJ, and Holder is the big cheese. I'd be surprised if Holder has the authority to authorize something like this on his own, I believe it goes higher.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc"]Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious - YouTube[/ame]

 

My guys are never in power, and the way our current system goes it doesn't look like they would ever get the chance. I am just pleased as punch though anytime someone that is voluntarily given authority over others is brought down when they are scum. I think that if someone with my beliefs who was in power got caught in wrongdoing, I would be all for them facing justice; mainly because if they are willing to subvert the law then they don't really share my beliefs. The ends never justify the means, if one believes that it does then all they show is that they are untrustworthy and we don't need people like that in power.

 

my point stands then

 

Your point that it seems we only care when its the other "team"? That is your opinion, as for it being a fact regarding me cannot be proven one way or the other until people I support get elected and are caught doing corrupt things. I can't say with 100% certainty how I would react. But knowing my beliefs of small government with less power, its hard for me to believe I would let someone slide when the biggest reason I want the federal government to have less authority is so that it can't be as corrupt.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNOHnFZnWQ&feature=fvst"]Obama..."Mr Transparency" - YouTube[/ame]

Where's the transparency on "Fast & Furious"?​

 

There will be no transparency when those who are supposed to enforce the laws are the same people who commit the crimes...

 

He's the Attorney General - he should be run out of office. He lied under oath. Read or listen how he lied," I probably heard about Fast and Furious over the last few weeks. Is the word 'probably' being used to help him out of the snare when it finally is pulled tight?

This is a huge catastrophe and so far msnbc, cnn, maher,etc are all keeping quiet on it. And they wonder why they are ridiculed and their ratings are low.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/04/eric-holder-investigation_n_994429.html

House Republicans have asked the White House to appoint a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Eric Holder lied during his testimony about a botched gun-trafficking operation, Fox News reports.

Documents obtained by CBS News show that Holder knew about the operation, dubbed "Operation Fast And Furious," as early as July 2010, which would contradict his testimony in May of this year, during which he said, "I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

A Justice Department official told The Huffington Post that the attorney general "has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the IG to investigate the matter."

 

I get a woody just thinking about it.

 

That is pure projection.