Does a woman's right to sex outweigh the right of a fetus?

A woman is more likely to die in a car accident.

 

But a lot of pro Life legislation is doing just that.

 

Doing what?

Why didn't she get her tubes tied?

 

Doing what?
The Pro life legislation is aimed at forcing women who never wanted one to have children anyway.

Why didn't she get her tubes tied?

Maybe she was unmarried. Maybe she was sick, Maybe she didn't want to have one THEN and WHY IN HELL IS THAT ANYONE'S BUSINESS BUT HERS ANYWAY??.[/QUOTE]

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
A rapist commits a crime against another person WHO HAS RIGHTS...a fetus has NO RIGHTS

What a pathetic attempt to dodge the obvious.....and several posts

And to compare "Negroes" to fetuses ???....how appalling...!!!

 

Maybe she didn't want to....the best reason in the world, SHE didn't want to...

 

Denial of science is so disgusting:


This is for any misogynist or science denier who claims pregnancy doesn't harm women OR that the ZEF ONLY uses a placenta and NOTHING ELSE :

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death."""""""""""""""""""

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But anti-choicers either deny it or downplay it because it only happens to women so , to THEM, it doesn't matter...

 

But she created that situation, didn't she? So my analogy in the opening post is very valid.

 

She wanted to use abortion as a form of birth control, didn't she.

 

As was her inalienable right

 

You fight for a horrible reprehensible "right".

It's one thing to get an abortion; it's quite another to set out planning to use abortion as your means of "birth control".
In my opinion this is 100% premeditated, and totally fits with the analogy in my opening post.

Not only was she faced with a situation where she had to decide between pregnancy and abortion, but even before then she had already decided she was going to get abortions to deal with any pregnancy... and made little attempt at even avoiding those pregnancies! She decided sex and her lifestyle choice was more important to her.

So this actually isn't really about trying to avoid being pregnant at all.

 

It's still an inalienable right

 

You mean to kill that fetus so she can have unabashed sex, as per the analogy in the opening post of this thread.

 

Yes, definitely, no question. This is a situation set up solely to support your narrative and completely unrealistic to the point of being silly. It is moot on that basis alone but even if it had any validity the woman would still have a right to smash the tank and terminate the fetus as its continued existence as a potential living being violates her right of bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is given only to actually living humans and the fetus is not a living being yet though it may become one in time. Bodily autonomy is the most fundamental right we have from which all others derive

Let me continue your analogy a little further, let us assume time machine goes into the future and determines the child this fetus becomes will murder its mother at the age of 5. This event is inalterable if the "child" lives. Does the woman have a right to smash the tank to defend her life?

 

One other thing. This woman is not the mother, so why does she owe an anonymous fetus she has no connection to any consideration at all?

 

THIS is what you posted :
""""kazenatsu said: ↑
If they set the slave free, that threatened the slave owner's livelihood. How is that so different?

(What are the actual health risks to women if she continues with the pregnancy? Pretty minimal. Chances are things will not be too bad""

THE FACT THAT SHE HAD SEX HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DENIAL OF WHAT OCCURS DURING PREGNANCY
UNLESS YOU FEEL IT"S HER PUMNISHMENT FOR HAVING SEX.......IS IT ?


So here's the truth:

Denial of science is so disgusting:


This is for any misogynist or science denier who claims pregnancy doesn't harm women OR that the ZEF ONLY uses a placenta and NOTHING ELSE :

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death."""""""""""""""""""

.


But anti-choicers either deny it or downplay it because it only happens to women so , to THEM, it doesn't matter...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Maybe she didn't want to....the best reason in the world, SHE didn't want to...

What has that got to do with her not wanting her tubes tied?




Maybe some day you will magically come to the realization that women have their own minds, are not slaves, and can do as they please and you will NEVER control them like cattle..

 

That's what this is about. She has a three-way choice between sex, dealing with the risk of pregnancy and it's inherent risks of various health issues, or abortion.

The analogy in the opening post asks us to look at this as a two way dilemma between sex and killing her fetus. If you can accept that, then the health issues are logically irrelevant.

This is basic logic. Think about it.

If you still need me to hold your hand and explain it to you, I will.

 

Because she brought its life into existence?
She is responsible for creating the situation where only she can continue to sustain that life.

 

And is nowhere near a parallel to the real life situation.

It can be. More women die from pregnancy than die from abortions.

 

But why not?

 

But still higher than the risks from abortion.

 

If she can't have sex for a year before the procedure to remove the offspring, there will be no offspring to be removed since the pregnancy period is only nine month? Do I have to explain basic biology to you?

 

By that same logic, one give tacit permission to have broken bones by skiing. In both cases, that tacit permission is not the giving permission to remain in that condition.

 

And less likely to die from an abortion.