Does Fox even have credibility anymore? The election ended that!

What are you talking about Hannity for? You have never challenged me on that point to even have the right to accuse me of anything. Slow down. You are gulping too fast and getting a brain burp.

Hannity gets all jazzed up sometimes. He has 3 hours a day to run his mouth. Statistically he should screw up at least once a day by not getting his facts straight. I don't know if he lied about what you are talking about or not.

 

Exactly and well said..............and I mean that.

CNN is doing it more now.............the saw that Fox news was gaining profits from selling outrage. Its just what sells in our day and age. Look at Dennis Rodman. Sure, he was a good basketball player, but he got more highlight reels because of his off the court antics. People want to see outrageous things.

But there is a big difference in supporting Obama's policies(because you beleive they are the right thing to do) compared to lying about Obama's policies(because you can't defeat them on merit alone). No wonder we heard(falsely) that Obamacare was going to kill granny. No wonder we heard that the gov't was going to set up "death panels".

Instead of debating the actual text of Obamacare...............they just made stuff up in the hopes of people believing it. And they did! Almost every GOP commentator took that lie and ran with it. And not only did the run with it, a lot of the american public doesn't like Obamacare because they still think its going to kill granny. Amazing, huh? So in essence, we have a LOT of the american public that doesn't like Obamacare all because of a bunch of lies!!! That's what sucks.

A patient of mine went and got his knee replaced before the end of the year. I asked why. He falsely claimed that, if he needed to be readmitted to the hospital because of complications, that he wouldn't be allowed to do so. Completely false because the provision he is referring to relates to punishments of the hospitals..............not punishment of the patients on being readmitted. Its just sad that this guy went thru a much needed surgery...........because of a lie. Sure he needed it and should have gotten it, but he got it for the wrong reasons.

If a liberal news org lied about something, then the DEMS would call them out on such lies! The GOP never does and just keeps repeating them!

 

Against you? I'm trying to point out there is a communication problem here. I am the one admitting and agreeing to much of what you say Fox has done. I also know that you can point the same fingers at any news outlet but you will not budge on that point. You refuse, as far as our conversation had gone, to admit to any wrongdoing of any other news outlet.

I can see both sides but you don't seem able. I'm trying to find where the communication is fragmenting.

 

No it can't. It has been tried many times here and other places but it simply isn't true.
If you want lies, real lies just look to bush the failure, that is going to be a hard record to beat.

 

The GOP doesn't understand that? I think MSNBC doesn't understand that. You have been pressing me time and time to admit that Hannity lied and I have said twice that there is a possibility he did. BUT I have yet to hear anyone on the Left admit any of the lies MSNBC has done. Not one of you. All you do is ignore it and try and throw more accusations back at Fox. Like Fox pays the Left to say what they want them to say. I haven't put up one post that isn't true. I have said fox lies at times and that Hannity could have lied. So tell me who is being more honest here?

 

See, you guys can't even admit that Obama lies and I can give you videos and statements where he has lied his back side off.

 

I generally do not watch my news but if I do what I want is what Sargent Friday wanted, 'just the facts'. I'm plenty smart enough to figure it out from there.
I do not want a paid regular mouth piece fro either side of the political spectrum, paid to say what the producers/employer wants them to say.
If anything I would much rather have guests that are experts in the topic to offer an incite. fox never does that, the evil MSNBC does.
fox has paid shills, regulars, to attempt to give the network a bit of credibility and what Nixon called 'plausible denyablity', in other words what you and the other foxbots are doing now.
"How can that be when fox has 'both sides on', "I have seen tense agrumnets between both side...". See how that works?
Amazing so many are so fooled by something so transparent.

As far as 'shocking headlines go, it's called 'yellow journalism and for most of history it was looked down on and scorned by intelligent people.
No self respecting network would stoop to it, the right wing media has mastered it. fox, and drudge are the worlds experts at it. It's cheezy, low brow and panders to the low thinkers.

 

"possibility"...."could have".....but never "Yes, Sean lied". Why is that?

 

How many times do I have to explain it? Go back and look at my other posts. That's the trouble with the Left, they only hear and read what they want to. Much like what Hannity might have done. You guys are living proof it's possible

 

No you can't, I've asked you many times and you have failed at every attempt.
What you do is confuse a campaign promise with a lie. Which shows me that the right has no clue what a 'lie' really is.

 

Obama admits there were no “shovel ready jobs,” Krauthammer pounces

by editor on October 14, 2010


After all his talk about “shovel ready jobs,” President Obama admitted yesterday that there really never were any shovel ready projects nor any shovel ready jobs.

Does that surprise you? It shouldn’t. We’re willing to bet this guy’s never owned a shovel. He’s never had a real job. And he certainly wasn’t ready for the job he has now.

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/obama-no-shovel-ready-jobs-krauthammer-pounces

 

■The president said “no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.” But the House bill would permit a “public option” to cover all abortions, and would also permit federal subsidies to be used to purchase private insurance that covers all abortions, a point that raises objections from anti-abortion groups. That’s true despite a technical ban on use of taxpayer dollars to pay for abortion coverage.
■The president repeated his promise that his plan won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit. But legislation offered so far would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office.


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/

 

Obama accuses Romney of outsourcing jobs - World - CBC News


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...mney-bain.html


Jul 15, 2012 – An unrelenting President Barack Obama jabbed at Mitt Romney's record with a private equity firm in an ad Saturday that aimed to keep his rival ...

It's a lie.

Obama’s ‘Outsourcer’ Overreach
The president's campaign fails to back up its claims that Romney 'shipped jobs' overseas.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/


Romney wasn't responsible for outsourcing to China, though he may have profited from it

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/...#storylink=cpy

 

You can post all that as many times as you want, it's is till no proof of any 'lie'.
You did exactly as I said you would, confused campaign promises with lies.
Proving that the right has no idea what a 'lie' really is.
No wonder they watch fox and listen to the fat drug addict.

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One interesting thing I have noticed in this thread.
The right defends a news network the same way they defend their own political views and ideals, as if the two are intertwined and linked.
Something to think about.

 

Here I give MSNBC credit for pointing out at least one lie Obama continued to make.

Who would have thought that MSNBC, which has pretty much been a propaganda arm for the White House, would be pointing out the lies coming from Barack Obama as he enters the final days of his first term? Certainly not Glenn. And yet, MSNBC brought in Lori Robertson from FactCheck.org and she said Barack Obama was wrong when he said that Romney did not say the government would provide help to G.M. in a managed bankruptcy. But that hasn’t stopped Obama from repeating the lie at every opportunity.

In his op-ed, Romney wrote:


It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

Despite it be clearly stated above that the federal government would provide support, Obama said in the debate, ““You did not say that you would provide government help.”

“We’re not the only ones that said that’s a lie. What Barack Obama is doing is lying about that. That’s what we said. MSNBC said he has it wrong,” Glenn explained. ” hey’re not saying that he’s lying. They’re just saying he was wrong. He had his facts wrong.”

But even when MSNBC is pointing out his error, Obama decided to double down and told followers yesterday, “If you say that you love American cars during a debate, you’re a car guy. But you wrote an article titled ‘Let Detroit Go Bankrupt’, you definitely have a case of Romnesia.”

“It’s not a fabrication, it’s not misleading. It’s an absolute bald‑face lie,” Pat said.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/24/msnbc-calls-out-obama-lie-obama-doubles-down/

 

The remark about shovel ready jobs seems to have been made one or two years after he was elected and asking for billions of dollars.

It's ok with you if he promises the country that his health care plan won't cost us anymore when it will cost billions more? Many voted for him just for that reason.

How about his lie about Benghazi attacks? That was only weeks ago and he kept up the lie for weeks.

 

Really? I don't recall that standard being applied to the last administration.

 

Wow, you really don't understand this issue at all do you? I mean, it's not surprise considering your source is media matters, but why don't you tell me exactly how it was edited to cast her in a negative light?

And what was the "negative light" it cast her as? What was supposed to be the take away from that video?

 

All I ever read you post is how awful liberals are, defend Fox, defend the wealthy, or the Government's black ops. Forgive me if I have trouble seeing past those views.

 

Badmouth liberals...(example).

You know, it wouldn't be such an issue if Fox didn't have this whole "Fair and balanced", or "We report...you decide" BS. I guess it's a great marketing strategy but, not very much of anything literal.

 

You have not shown any quotes from the President, you've given links to wild far right BS, you don't really expect anyone to take that at face value do you?
Come on man, you know better than this.

 

You still haven't produced a single the President has told, not one.

 

Far Right bull(*)(*)(*)(*)? This man is the biggest liar we have ever had and you guys have eaten it all up.

Four Years of Lies in one Video

http://obamalies.net/four-years-of-lies-in-one-video.html



With unemployment hovering near 10 percent nearly two years after President Obama signed his economic stimulus package, Mr. Obama is acknowledging that, despite his campaign promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects."


The president gave that remark in an hour-long interview with the New York Times.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019468-503544.html


How much of a tool is New York Times columnist David Brooks?

This much: On the PBS NewsHour last night, Brooks admitted that President Obama told him a year ago that he knew that the “shovel-ready project” propaganda he employed to pass the massive porkulus bill was a steaming load of bullcrap.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/10/16/david-brooks-obama-told-me-shovel-ready-was-a-crock-a-year-ago/

 

Funny, you said before you thought I was open minded. Is that only when I agree with Obama and Liberals, which I do some times. Like for days I argued with my fellow Republicans about Obama doing the right thing baling out GM and Chrysler and his equal pay for women bill.

 

Why keep repeating this lie? LOL

The president REALIZED later that there were no shovel ready jobs in public service. This is much different than KNOWING there were no shovel ready jobs and saying there were anyways.

Try again and this is the prime example I have been talking about. They think being wrong is a lie! That is the best entertainment that money does not have to buy!