Does "Israel" have the right to exist ?

Does Israel have a right to exist?


The question is a tired trap, regularly and stupidly trotted out by Israel's so-called supporters; to me, too, on regular though increasingly fewer occasions. States – not humans – give other states the right to exist. For individuals to do so, they have to see a map.

For where exactly, geographically, is Israel? It is the only nation on earth which does not know and will not declare where its eastern frontier is. Is it the old UN armistice line, the 1967 border so beloved of Abbas and so hated by Netanyahu, or the Palestinian West Bank minus settlements, or the whole of the West Bank?

Is Alaska part of Canada ? Is Canada/Mexico Part of United States ?

Show me a map of the United Kingdom which includes England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and it has the right to exist.

But show me a map of the UK which claims to include the 26 counties of independent Ireland in the UK and shows Dublin to be a British rather than an Irish city, and I will say no, this nation does not have the right to exist within these expanded frontiers.

Which is why, in the case of Israel, almost every Western embassy, including the US and British embassies, are in Tel Aviv, not in Jerusalem.



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Israel has the right to exist as a normal democratic state in which all Israelis (be they Muslims, Christian or Jews) have equal rights. In this case it is not very important where the borders of Israel are.

To call Israel a 'Jewish state' is racism.



Israel does not have the moral right to exist as a racist state that grants huge privileges to foreigners with a special religious background and severely discriminates the native Semitic population of the country.

 

Wrong. An exception must be made for the Israelis because Jews have suffered worse than any other enthicity in history from bias, prejudice and downright extermination.

The planet owes the Jew a strip of land in the lands they lay biblical claim to and the planet owes them a State that is, and always will be majority Jewish.

Jews cannot live "their way" unless they are in political control because there is no one likes them and they aren't safe anywhere else. Okay? Nothing but a Jewish Apartheid state is capable of keeping them safe.

What you see as fascism, I see as a necessary byproduct to ensure their survival as a people and a culture and they get a pass on "apartheid".

We in America have Indian reservations where the indians can do anything they want, including kick out people of their tribe. The Jews deserve their own sovereign "reservation" in the middle east and they have it. You'll just have to either live with it, or get nuked and as far as I'm concerned, the Palestinians and the Arab world can get bent.

 

When it is surrounded by 'Islamic states', it becomes a matter of survival to be a jewish state. Islam calls on the believers to fight the jews until they are in a state of subjection.

 

We can argue "rights" all day long. In the end it comes down to this: Israel has the right to exist because they say so.....and no one who disagrees can stop them.

 

Well then, as Israel can never be a ' jewish State ' when 25% of its citizens are not jewish it is rather foolish to bank its future on becoming one, wouldn't you agree ?

 

It would be a Jewish state for a certain population group, but not a democratic one for the people.

 

Then you are necessarily already against the proposed Palestinian state that already has been declared to be free of Jews?

Are "native Semitic" people discriminated against in Israel? In a nation that has given them citizenship, voting rights and like civil liberty guarantees it seems like an absurd lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html

 

You might want to check the facts. Israel has over 30 laws that only apply to non Jews.

 

This is a nonsense, spread by fools and neoZionists.

 

Then those people who are unhappy with it are free to leave at anytime.

No one has the right to tell the Jews as a group what to do, period. We should just leave them alone and if the Arabs want to invade again, then let them solve the problems on the battlefield once and for all.

I'm tired of listening to you people (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I want to see war just so the Israelis finally shoot enough of you (*)(*)(*)(*)ers to teach you the lesson that the "Jewish Apartheid State" is a legitimate necessity to save the Jew from persecution.

 

Sound like many Zionists allow their uncontrolled racism to have an impact on their desired views:

Fayyad: Jews can be equal citizens in Palestinian state
http://www.haaretz.com/news/fayyad-jews-can-be-equal-citizens-in-palestinian-state-1.279395

 

It's not racism. We just don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing believe you. We think you are dirty rotten liars who will say anything to get closer to wrapping your hadns around jewish throats.

When it comes to Jews and Israel, the arab world is a bunch of nasty dirty rotten liars who cannot be trusted at all to tell the truth.

You people have no credibility and anything you say is automatically tossed out as a lie by most people except those who hate jews.

The Jews BEAT YOU. They BEAT YOU BAD now you need to surrender the war, it's lost. You can't make them not be "an apartheid state" as you call it. They have every right to that Apartheid state if that is what they want and Palestinians and Arabs have no right to question it because it's their fault.

 

You're demented....

 

A) You should cite what you claim then and, B) assuming this is so (though I don't necessarily do on your word alone) how does this invalidate Israel's right to exist?

On a related note, since the Palestinian ambassador says no Jews in their proposed state, are you in favor of giving them a pass on this when non Jewish Arabs have the rights of citizenship in Israel? Do you not see a moral disconnect here?

 

Well thank you for your opinion, now shove it.

 

Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel. Naturally the embassies will locate there.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...raeli-jews-future-state-israel-PLO/50394882/1

Yeah, I've seen the effort to cover tracks by Areikat. It does not impress anyone and it's a patently lame attempt.

 

Jerusalem WILL NEVER BE Divided.

 

Perhaps they feel safer in Tel Aviv where aerial projectiles have alot further to carry in order to strike at them?

Look at Israel on a map. Youll see Israel now. Its where theyve defined the current borders,based on cease fire lines which may or may not change during further negotiations.

We must assume the Pals accept these lines as well since this is the 'state' theyre willing to go with in the bid at the UN.

 

I've already told you that the hated Semites are not one individual with one opinion. Just because one hated Semite says something, such does not mean that all hated Semites agree with your view on the matter. View individuals as individuals, not collections of Semites to be hated and murdered.

 

ethically and legally it should not exist, but unfortunately it does...

 

Yeah, I've heard what you have to say and it's as lame as Areikat's back tracking.
The PLO ambassador is not just any "hated Semite". He speaks for the Palestinian people. Lie harder next time.

 

Why are your horribly disgusted with the hated Semite since he stated that Jews would be welcome in the nation of Palestine? Is it really so terribly horrible, in your view, for Jews to be welcome in nations?

"When it comes to religious freedom and the right of all to visit respective sites in Israel and Palestine, of course all cities should be open to all religions," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/report-palestinian-state-free-of-jews_n_962906.html

Often, it seems as if many Zionists hate Jews more than anyone.

 

We disagree. Every nation state has defined bordera.

Frankly, while humans + animals have rights , I'mm not convinced about - states - especially - as I've not heard of any other fekkin state forever bleeting about "its RIGHT TO EXIST"

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