Does the cost of the war in Ukraine exceed the benefits?

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Does the cost of the Ukraine war exceed the benefits?

  1. No, because it's a war for FREEDOM

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  2. Yes

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Yes, government owns all the infrastructure in those countries.
     
  2. Endeavor

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    Mi6 and CIA reports are propaganda? You need Putin’s Facebook account give you the right number?

    Off course Ukraine has higher casualty and millions and millions flee the country. No one thought they can stop Russia for 2 years. Even CIA thought the war will be war with in 45 days.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    Of course, but so what? They have wayyyy too much government. What's happening with EVs in this country is a good example of when government goes too far.

    Someone has to build and maintain roads, sewers, airports, railroads, water mains, schools and universities, police, courts, fire services, and on and on. My personal preference is encouraging private investment when makes sense.

    Many workers can't earn enough to stay in the middle class. Instead of fixing that problem, we create more government to keep people from falling into poverty. Wages for full-time employees have gone up 10% in the past 45 years. Output per worker has more than doubled.
     
  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fact #1. People say it because its true, and no amount of gaslighting won't make it go away. .
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, you take your orders from the mainstream media and unelected bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci.

    One need not "love" a foreign leader like Putin to comprehend that he defends his country from foreigners with bad intentions like NATO.

    One need not "hate" a POTUS imposter like Biden who does his best to subvert the letter and spirit of the document he is supposedly sworn to protect and defend.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Government finances roads in every country, including the US.
     
  7. Endeavor

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    So to be independent thinker;

    • Don’t take medical advice from medical professionals.
    • Dictators like Putin is just doing his job.
    • Hate Biden.


    Got it. You are right. I am not independent thinker.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Correct sir, in most cases you follow the herd, you think as you are told to think, facts be damned.
     
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    Government is the reason the middle class is vanishing and people are falling into 'poverty'. But it's not really poverty, it's 'bought' voters that live on the Democrat plantation of government welfare.
     
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    Stop with the ideological BS. $1 of every $1,000 for the Ukraine is not our problem.

    You could join your MAGA buddies in blathering a false choice that we need to solve the border problem before giving money to the Ukraine. We can do both.
     
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    Apparently we can't.
     
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    Correct, but not for the reason you think.
    The ideological blinkers are leaving you unaware of how the economy actually functions. You rightwing types need to take one of the many free economics classes online. Hopefully, you'll be joined by socialists.
     
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    Because of people like you?
     
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    Do you not remember The Pentagon Papers and what they mean? How about the Afghanistan Papers? How about the material shown by Julian Assange? Edward Snowden?

    Do you live in a bubble?
     
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    Most welfare recipients are republican in the Red state. Blue state is getting richer and richer and red states are getting worse. The fading middle class are in RED state and not blue state.
     
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    Oh I know how it works just fine. Maybe you can't understand why it takes around a $125K income to be able to afford a house, but I do. It's the same reason you spelled out above "we can do it all" and your abysmal understanding of the consequences of deficit spending.

    As the national debt has increased over the past several decades, the standard of living has decreased hand-in-hand.
     
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    I have nothing to do with it at all. I'm just a bystander providing color commentary.
     
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    No propaganda there. :)
     
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    If that's what it takes for you to cope :bored:

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    Let me summarize - DEMS leadership tells their elected official how to vote or they neuter them. DEMS can go extreme left but can’t be conservative, or moderate. In another word , entire Democratic leadership is extreme left.
     
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    7 out of 10 poorest staters are RED state. you are right , middle class is vanishing in RED state.

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    That’s a good summary. Chuck Summer and especially Hakeem Jeffries are well left of center.

    Biden is senile, but the people who control him are not much different from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The people thought they were electing a moderate when they voted for Biden. They thought the Democrats had rejected Bernie Sanders, but what they got was the Bernie Sanders policies.
     
  23. LangleyMan

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    I've been talking about it on this forum for years.
    You insult your reader when you claim 1/1000th of our GDP going to Ukraine is a "we can do it all" argument.

    Do I oppose deficit spending? Yes. Want to cut the deficit? Yes. Put the top tax bracket where it was before Trump cut it (after promising he wouldn't) and leave everything else alone.
    The standard-of-living for "haves" like me has never been better. Old suckers, especially in Florida, California and Texas have seen their property go up 50% recently. This for the entire country...

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    Rents follow home prices. Young people just starting out feel like they can't breathe.
     
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    The Warren/Sanders types are pulling the Democratic Party too far left.
     
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    Unfortunately, much of your commentary is contrary to economics.
     

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