DOJ targets Elon Musk for preferring to hire US citizens

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  1. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    DOJ Targets Elon Musk’s SpaceX For Allegedly Preferring To Hire U.S. Citizens | The Daily Wire
    Is this really America? Or is this Biden's new America? And before anyone attacks the source like I know so many love to do, here are a few other links to the same story:
    U.S. Justice Department probes SpaceX after hiring discrimination complaint | Reuters
    DOJ Investigating SpaceX Over Hiring Discrimination Complaint (thedailybeast.com)
    U.S. Justice Department probes SpaceX after hiring discrimination complaint | One America News Network (oann.com)
     
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    https://www.workplacefairness.org/immigration-status
    “The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) is a federal law that protects individuals from employment discrimination based on immigration or citizenship status. This anti-discrimination law makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of national origin or citizenship status in hiring, firing (including layoffs), recruitment, or referral for a fee. It makes it illegal to require more or different documents than are legally acceptable for employment verification purpose. It also makes it illegal to refuse to honor the documents the employee offers if they are legally acceptable and appear to be genuine. Finally, it prohibits intimidation, coercion, threats, or retaliation against individuals who file charges or otherwise cooperate with an investigation, proceeding, or IRCA hearing.”

    For reference the IRCA was passed in 1986...
    And was passed by, you guessed it — a Republican...

    There is so much knowledge for free and yet it is completely ignored.
    You were able to find this but unable to spare a few moments to do a basic search on why and when.

    But yes, this is Biden’s America for at least 4 years, probably 8 (but this isn’t his policy).

    Embarrassing
     
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  3. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .....Or he wasn’t a lawful resident.
    I thought companies cannot hire illegals?

    so much for America first. Now we want companies to hire illegals and non citizens.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where did it say that he was illegal?
    He could be a legal resident of another nation or could be nationalized
     
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    Are you aware of the technology that Space-X works with? Is this the technology that you want in the hands of China? We all know the answer that Biden would give but I am interested in yours. The tech he is inventing blows the **** away of anything NASA ever created. I have seen it and it is mind boggling. This is the technology that you want to FORCE American companies to give to foreign nationals? Given the mountain of IP that China has stolen over the past decade, frankly it is shocking to find "Americans" that would support forcing the most cutting edge company in the world to hire Chinese nationals. Pathetic.


    PS. The person was not hired because he was not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident. It said that right in the referenced article.
     
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  6. Louisiana75

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    He didn’t get the job and now he’s pissed. Of course he was asked about his citizenship. Is that now racist to do?
     
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    Can you show me a single person that has “support[ed] forcing the most cutting edge company in the world to take in Chinese nationals”?

    I didn’t even know his ethnicity until you just stated it.

    If you are outraged call your congressperson, y’all passed it
     
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    Not racist, but illegal according to the 1986 law signed by Regan
     
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    So if a non citizen applies, they must be hired or else you get the DOJ investigating the company?
     
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    What is illegal? Asking about his citizenship status?
     
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    Ask the republicans who passed the law in 1986.

    I realize it's been 4 yrs since our gov't actually followed the laws and the constitution of the USA, but don't be mad because we are once again being a law and order nation.
     
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    FYI, it is illegal to hire illegal residents. If that law changed please let us know.
     
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    Then this is a non story and the prob will simply be closed. I own two very small businesses and we have been involved in employment probes three times — all resolved with no recourse to us.
    As big as these companies are they likely have entire departments to deal with these types of issues

    This is just another “THE COUNTRY IS BEING STOLEN” fear mongering tactic by the pathetic right wing propaganda machine.
    It seems to have found its audience
     
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    False, they do not have to hire them but they cannot refuse to hire them due to the protected qualification.
    Anyone is free to file a grievance with the state or federal government.

    I don’t know if it is illegal to ask but it is illegal to make a determination based on it. It is a protected qualification like sex, ethnicity or handicap.
     
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    So the DOJ is investigating Elon Musk because he didn’t hire this guy citing preferential treatment to American citizens. This is not a right wing propaganda machine. It’s a story and we should all wonder how we got here.
     
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    (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Justice is probing Elon Musk’s rocket company SpaceX over whether the company discriminates against non-U.S. citizens in its hiring, according to court documents filed on Thursday

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...hiring-discrimination-complaint-idUSKBN29X345

    A complaint was filed. An investigation is suppose to follow. That's how law and order countries work.
    Remember? It's been awhile.
     
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    .......How DARE they call this the immigration 'reform and control' act, it's more like the 'Sellout the US Act'. At this point, there's no privileges really to being an American citizen. Like, what are we paying our tax dollars for? They can't sustain our livelihoods while shutting down businesses in response to the coronavirus. They have zero intentions on infrastructure or anything of any substantial importance, but we do have mock trials.

    America's a joke, it deserves to be laughed at, ridiculed and mocked by our European contemporaries.
     
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    Regan passed it. In 1986. That is how we got here.
     
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    There are tons of privileges to being an American citizen, we have medical bankruptcy for instance.
    Where do our taxpayer dollars go? A huge percent go to the military, care for veterans injured in the military, our bloated and ineffective government and our elderly. We also give huge sums back to multinational corporations and the super wealthy so those are great causes. The rest of us, we have the highest combined taxes in the world and get very little back for it.

    As for America being “laughed at, ridiculed and mocked by our European contemporaries” — we are.
     
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    Good. We must end racism, and the only way to do it by bringing in immigrants and silencing whites.
     
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    What is Trump's America. Pass laws pushed by republicans and when it doesn't go their way blame democrats?
     
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    Wrong thread? Lost?
    Yes, yes you are
     
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    "These non-U.S. citizens may work with technical information or on government projects with specific approval"
    https://news.clearancejobs.com/2020/02/06/can-a-non-citizen-work-in-a-national-security-job/

    This is about national security.
     
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    The law was passed in 1986. Now you're upset about it?
     
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    For those that would prefer to read the actual lawsuit you can find it at this site since none of the links in the OP provided it: LINK: Justice Department investigating Elon Musk’s SpaceX following complaint of hiring discrimination

    For those that want to reference the law in particular you can find it here: LINK: 8 USC 1324b: Unfair immigration-related employment practices

    I would like to call attention to a particular part of that law that will answer some questions/statements posed in this thread.

    Seems to me Elon has an easy out here. Simply provide the credentials of the person that was hired in place of the claimant and the reasoning that they were hired instead of the immigrant.

    And frankly I find the reasoning that the IER gave for requesting the information that they have to be a fishing expedition. Particularly in light of the part of the law that I quoted. Basically they want to determine if SpaceX has "disproportionately" discriminated against immigrants. Well, hate to break it to them but the law allows for such to happen. Requesting the information that they have has nothing to do with the claimant specifically. Which is what they should be working on. Not trying to dig up more dirt.

    I would imagine that if the IER had been reasonable and simply requested the resume and reasoning that they hired the employee that took the job the immigrant was applying for and compared it to that of the immigrant then Musk would have complied. As it was....well... no need to repeat myself.
     
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