Donald Trump & Australia

Im not concerned about lack of discussion...its obvious that people agree with what I am posting, otherwise they would disagree and post accordingly. In any case people all over the world are complaining about islam, so I
guess Im not the only one...but some Australian people are naive, hence the need for the thread...
But anyway, you keep on posting your rubbish opinions on other threads and keep sucking up to other posters calling them witchy poo etc...which really sounds pretty childish....

 

Barack Obama is a Muslim who wasn't even born in America but hates America with a passion! He has secret meetings looking at how he and all of the American Imams can bring down America and impose Sharia law. Give me a break and everyone else Billy goat. The internet is inundated with this stuff!

If 1.5 billion Muslims were made of the same beliefs as those terrorists acting as Muslims, there would have been a world wide catastrophe centuries ago! Not sure whether you can get that simple fact. You can make up and post all the stories and propaganda you like but if the big picture don't match then your little stories are false. Pretty simple isn't it!

Your lack of really wanting any discussion is because you love being hysterically silly. You've proved over and over again on many threads and over many years. You had to reinvent yourself as Billy the Goat because you needed something exciting to keep you interested like all the hatred and negativity you exude!

By the way, me and witchy poo have something going....you jealous again!

 

Yeah, you're feeling silly at this stage aren't ya? I bet you are thinking what else you can change your forum name to other than Billy the Goat!

 

Truth wanker...suits you...

 

And I bet you didn't cut and paste that comment!

 

As the old Latin saying goes Zig - vox populi, vox Dei - we - and they - shall see.

 

Remember, you guys loved obama, the guy who destabilized a large part of the world, and has caused untold grief to Americans. We rejected obama, and elected a man who if he does what he promised will erase obama's policies from the books.

And about all we hear regarding Australia is how great your gun ban program is (while ignoring the increase in crime that resulted), and how it needs to be imposed on Americans. We have repeatedly rejected the claims that we need an Australian gun ban and elected a man who (again, if he does what he promised) will guarantee American's rights to own firearms.

Australia's track record as far as US domestic politics is terrible.

If you want to talk trade, that's a different matter.

 

Hmmm,

for the Obama health care he should receive the peace prize or similar.
For bringing down your unemployment rate he is a real champion.
For his dealing with Israel and Palestine not too sure, more positive then negative I think.
For allowing fracking in a big unsustainable way he should be nailed on a cross.
For taking a stand in favor of Monsanto he should be thrown to the lions.
For your involvement in Syria, I am not sure, God knows what is going on in that part of the world and who does what....
Only time will tell, but to me as an non US citizen he was a good President.

As in regards to Trump, the Germans had their Hitler, we had our Abbott, you have your Trump.
Every nation gets what it deserves. We all love to be mislead.....
The problem with Trump is that he is a threat to the world's peace, as if there is any.....
If your country goes downhill, and it will, I couldn't care less.
Stupidity needs be experienced.....

No hard feelings,
cheers

 

From my intellectual perspective. One person having the authority over how two adults can verbally communicate is entirely different to having authority over physical same sex marriage.

One is having control over free speech, which is not based on any religion, and the other is having authority over physical action based on religious methodologies.

I believe both are an impediment to human beings having natural free liberties, but they are very different animals.

 

They are one in the same.

They are both an infringement on personal liberty.

 

With all due respect. I believe they are different animals. While they both infringe and try to restrict personal liberty. One tries to restrict speech, while the other tries to restrict actions.

Saying something and doing something are entirely different things.

Speech verses actions/gay marriage - different animals, and different considerations. Gay marriage is a preformed action.

Two deaf mutes could get married without hearing and saying a word, but they have performed the action of getting married.

 

Speaking is an action. Therefore under your own terminology Free Speech is a right born from an action.

The problem here is the term marriage. Marriage is a ceremony born from religious backgrounds. Nobody is asking the church to marry a gay couple, that will be their choice, but as a fully fledged member of our society, let alone through common decency, the state must recognise their right as a human in our so called FREE society.

Putting aside prejudices. By opposing the right of a gay couple to a state recognised union, you are basically labelling them less than you, and therefore not fit for the same basic rights that you enjoy as a free citizen amongst our communities.

Now if you are for liberty and freedom, it is highly hypocritical to oppose gay marriage in our society under our current constitution.

On the other hand if it is just a deep prejudice or against your religious beliefs, I can fully understand. BUT it would be unfair for you to espouse individual freedoms with conditions.

This probably isn't the thread for this topic as I am sure a thread would already of been started for such a debatable subject.

And Culldav I mean no disrespect either, just fair debate.

 

You've been fed bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about the crime rate. And I for one am not suggesting you take anything from our firearms control laws. They work for us, that's it for me.

 

Hey B3 you seriously need to balance your news between fox and cnn or something. Obama destabilised a large part of the world?? Are you talking Obama or G W Bush. The world has felt like a safer place in the past 8 years. Barack Obama is all class and represented your country with aplomb dude. Not since Ronald Reagan have we had a president that was pure class. Yes, class! The type of thing that helps to build respectability and credibility. Yeah Reagan started the debt spiral but was a respected figure that kept the world intrigued with the USA. I can't see Trump having the same effect but in fact destroying that intrigue and obviously respect. As far as I'm concerned, time will tell but America and its people may as well have voted in Homer Simpson as president!

Americans and their guns hey! Your domestic and foreign policy requires for citizens to bear arms. Anyway, why is it that Americans want the right to bear arms for militia purposes if no other country allows that for their citizens?

 

Wow,
when was the last time you had an unbiased view at the world?
I feel sorry for you, but hey, no hard feelings,
regards

 

Australia's record as far as US domestic politics? .... Do tell

Oh and about the gun laws and increasing crime, no relationship, HOWEVER preceding the "Gun Laws" which by the way does not stop any genuine gun owner owning a gun, we were averaging approx a mass shooting (more then 5 dead) approx once per year. In the 20 years since the gun laws were introduced NOT ONE.

But yeah you keep living your disillusioned belief about Australia. I have been to the US several times I have half a dozen cousins there. Have you EVER been to Australia?

My God, is the reason you voted for that clown because he will guarantee American's rights to own firearms? That is one of the reasons I think he is a clown. lol

P.S. I was a gun owner, I have now sent them to my cousin (a gunsmith) as they are family heirlooms. I do still have a shooters licence though.

You keep banning people from flying because they are terrorist threats but you keep allowing them to buy weapons it just shows us what you call freedom.

 

What a joke of a post. obamacare is a complete disaster, its been fully in place just 4 years and its falling apart already - rates have skyrocketed (ours has more than doubled in 6 years, in the 6 years before that is went up 33%), service is down. The unemployment rate is not down, people just quit looking for work, almost everyone has a kid living at home, college grads are unemployed, the economy is a flat, stagnant mess.

But how would you know? You don't live here, you just hear the PR and lies. Talk about being misled.

 

Your violent crime rate increased 44% when the gun ban went into effect in 1996. The following charts are from the AUS Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports (USA data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports).

Even homicide increased 16%, and did not drop below pre-ban levels for 6 years.

All your gun ban did was turn decreasing crime rates into a crime bubble which peaked in 2001/2002, some crime rates remain well above the preban level. In fact, armed robbery did not drop to below pre-ban levels until just a few years ago.

So if you think a much more violent society works for Australia, then your gun ban is a success. I do wonder if all those extra people who are raped or severely beaten and suffer long term impairment console themselves with the thought that their trauma is a small price to pay so you can feel good about needlessly disarming people.

 

Wrong.

There have been as many mass killings in AUS in the 20 years before 1996 as in the 20 years after 1996, that's even in Wikipedia. The only difference is that most since 1996 have been without fireamrs (but 2, possibly 3 were shootings).

I have not been to AUS, don't want to go there, have no interest in it. The only things of value from AUS (excluding Crocodile Dundee and the Steve Erwin) is your demonstration that a gun ban increases crime significantly.

As to the rest, typical exaggeration from an ignorant foreigner who has nothing to go on but propaganda.

 

LOL you have no idea really lol and it is impossible to collect statistics on the US you have so many different systems and no uniform one. Not what I say, what I have read from US sites.

Now I have seen thousands of posts like yours, it is not very original. There is some good information however about guns in the us.

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

here are the interesting bits...

I bet the gun owners are proud of those figures.

and last but definitely not least....

 

of course if it makes you feel like your penis is larger good luck to you. I would also guarantee the founding fathers would be disgusted in the US today, especially now that D Trump is going to be president. George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Ronald McDonald Trump. My God

 

Oh well you resort to insults, I use logic, I suppose that really says it all. OK my bad, we were talking guns so I was talking about gun deaths, secondly I used 5 or more victims to be a mass shooting, you wouldn't call 2 a mass shooting, a double homicide yes, and I didn't look at them all but the somein that wikipedia list were serial killings anyway.

Go on keep killing yourselves, it's your children who suffer the most so you know what I think of you then don't you?

Nearly 1.7 million children live in households where guns are stored either loaded or not locked away, according to the San Francisco-based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. This makes American children 16 times more likely to be unintentionally killed by a gun, compared with similar countries.

 

My data comes from the Australia Bureau of Statistics Crime reports, your own government. If you dispute the fact that violent crime went from 716.7 (per 100,000 people) in 1995 to 1,015.7 in 2001, homicide went from 3.63 to 4.2, sexual assault went from 71.77 to 95.3, assault with severe bodily injury from 660.7 to 809.7, then take it up with your own government.

In the USA, local law enforcement sends crime data to the FBI, the data is compiled in the annual Uniform Crime Report, for example for 2015 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015

Since 1991, in the USA violent crime, homicide, gun related crime each decreased >50%.

In AUS, less guns, more crime. In the USA, more guns, less crime.


You, on the other hand, cite a gun banner "tutorial" which lumps homicide, suicide, and accidental death into one group. Suicide, homicide, and accidental shooting have different causes, solutions, and impacts on society - they cannot be lumped into one group. Gun banners do that to boost the numbers so they can have an argument.

Suicide is not related to firearm availability. People decide to commit suicide, then select the method. Look at Australia. Before the gun ban in 1995, 38% of all suicides were poisoning, 30% hanging, and 16% firearm. In 2010, 22% poisoning, 56% hanging, 7% firearm. Firearms were never a primary means of suicide in AUS. And the suicide trend was generally unaffected by the gun ban.


Enough real data for you? Notice I do not use a middle man, I use the direct data straight from the source.

More guns, less crime. As proven by AUS.

 

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At least 265 people were accidentally shot by kids this year. WOW you are doing well, arming yourselves has been successful, you have actually stopped 18 more people from potentially being shot then what children under 15 have shot accidentally.