Donald Trump indicted in Georgia Election Probe

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently, BR was a more convincing witness than LL in front of the GJ But without a recording to hear the subtle threats behind the subtle requests, it's he said/she said (not a typo) and Fani was probably wise to move on. I certainly agree with that without a recording, although this document gave Fani the ability to move forward if other information came out this year.

    Put it this way, if the affiliation of all the parties was reversed, with the statements in bold above, you'd be popping an intestine demanding an indictment of the D Senator.... 100%
     
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    Ahh, the worst Chief of Staff ever wants a "pause".

    ''Mark Meadows asks Georgia judge to pause his case until final decision is made on moving to federal'

    Source: CNN

    'Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is asking the state judge in the Georgia election case to halt all proceedings against him until there is a final decision — including appeals — on the bid to move his case to federal court, according to a new court filing Wednesday.

    Meadows is pushing to move his case from state court into federal court in hopes his case will be thrown out under a federal law that protects government employees from facing litigation related to their official duties. A federal judge is still weighing that request.

    “The federal rights Mr. Meadows has asserted under the Supremacy Clause of the Federal Constitution and the Federal Officer Removal Statute will be irreparably impaired if this state prosecution continues while his Notice of Removal remains pending,” Meadows' attorney wrote in the filing.

    In the filing, his attorney makes clear he wants Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee to pause the Georgia proceedings until there is a final decision on moving his case to federal court, “including through appeal.”

    Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...e-09-06-23/h_f6a13aea08754d544085932d28f09667


    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...ordan-lack-basic-understanding-law-rcna103889
     
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    Ahh, Couldn't happen to a nicer spineless Trump-humper.


    'Judge denies Trump aide Meadows' bid to move Georgia election case to federal court'
    Source: CNBC

    'A federal judge on Friday rejected a request by Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to move his Georgia election conspiracy criminal case to federal court.

    The judge in a lengthy order said that Meadows has not met his burden to show that removing the case from Georgia state court was proper under a statute related to legal cases against federal officers.

    Meadows was indicted with Trump and 17 other co-defendants last month on charges related to their efforts to reverse former President Donald Trump’s loss in Georgia’s 2020 election to President Joe Biden.


    This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.

    Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/08/jud...e-georgia-election-case-to-federal-court.html
     
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    Neal Katyal just said,


    'The judge stated in his denial that the executive branch has no business messing with state's elections. That statement by the judge, according to Katyal, will shoot down trump's attempt to move to federal court.'
     
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    Good! It's a state issue.
    I wonder how much it cost in lawyers fees for the waste of a motion to pause the Georgia case was?
     
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    'Judge *rejects* Meadows' bid to remove Fulton County criminal case to federal court.

    Anna Bower @AnnaBower 4m
    BREAKING: Federal judge DENIES Mark Meadows's bid to move his state criminal charges in Fulton County to federal court.

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    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.319225/gov.uscourts.gand.319225.69.0.pdf

    Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 3m
    The court found that Meadows exceeded his role as WH chief of staff by working directly with the Trump campaign.

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    Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 2m
    Meadows failed to meet the “quite low” standard for removal, Jones rules.

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    Judge rejects Mark Meadows’ bid to move Georgia election interference case to federal court
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/poli...iminal-case-federal-court-rejected/index.html
     
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    The federal judge who made that ruling had to be rock solid when it came to the basis for denying the request. Meadows suffers from a case of severe MAGAitis of the brain because his own TESTIMONY under OATH established that what he was doing was OUTSIDE of his official duties as WH Chief of Staff.

    When a criminal freely confesses their crime under oath the judge has no other option than to uphold the law of the land which in this instance means that the STATE criminal code applies in order that justice is served.

    I see NO GROUNDS whatsoever for an APPEAL that would ALTER this outcome. If the SCrOTUS were to overturn this ruling it would be EVIDENCE of brain MAGAitis on the Bench.

    Meadows might as well start serving his time now because legally he is toast. Not sure that he can even get a plea deal either but that seems to be his ONLY other feasible option.

    But all of this BEGS the question, WHY did none of these MAGAcretins arrange for pardons PRIOR to the Traitor-in-Chief being EVICTED from the Oval office? Odds are the CORRUPT SCrOTUS would have upheld them for Federal crimes. FTR even if Meadows were to have his case moved to the Federal courts the GA case law still applies and a conviction under that GA state law CANNOT be pardoned by the Traitor-in-Chief even AFTER being tried in Federal court.
     
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    And who was presenting these charges and interpreting the law to this grand jury? Why was this report even released with these allegations smearing these people on these once again shoddy law. Let's just put everyone we can think of names in this accusatory document so people will believed they broke thenlaw but we don't have to prove it. Remember the giddy jury foreperson and her publicity tour afterwards for her monment in fame and how she hoped that they would have clled Trump so that she could then have bragged about being the one who swore him in?
     
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    Excellent post!

    Neither Meadows or Giuliani got pardons yet Trump's last pardon before the White House door kicked him in the ass was for the corrupt Bernie Kerik.
    Go figure.



    Mark Meadows asked for pardon from Trump, aide testifies ...
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    Charlotte Observer
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com › article262959933

    Jun 29, 2022 — 6, 2021, his top aide, Cassidy Hutchinson, testified Tuesday. In a surprise hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives' Jan. 6 committee, ...


    Meadows sought pardon after Jan. 6, his former top aide ...
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    Axios
    https://www.axios.com › Politics & Policy

    Jun 28, 2022 — Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani also sought a pardon, according to Cassidy Hutchinson.
     
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    Bernie Kerik handed over the paperwork and findings he had from when he worked on Rudy's scam to find "election fraud" to SC Jack Smith.

    Nothing says "loyalty" like one felon ratting out another.
     
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    Mental illness & religion are a dangerous combo.

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    Meanwhile Guiliani and Kerik convinced Trump to have that 100,000 a plate fundraiser last Thursday at Mar a Lago for Wudy's defense fund.
    Little Giuliani, Andy, said they hope to raise over 1 million.
    Who were the 11 suckers who attended, if that many?
    So far no news on how many bought tickets.
    Sick corrupt thugs, all of them.
     
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    So AFTER Inmate P01355809 deducts the EXPENSES of the room rental, catering fees AND his speaking fee how much do you think will be left for Rudy? He might end up OWING money instead.
     
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    :roflol:


    That's the definition of these thug's one upmanship friendships.
    They all deserve each other.
     
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    No worries... some of that does make sense...

    I do not know why the report was released, but the judge approved it and nobody objected to it, given 2 weeks... I don't see the value myself...
     
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    Giuliani musta gotten at least a $100,000.00 from one sucker at Thursday's MaL defense fundraiser.

    Rudy Giuliani files new legal challenge to Georgia election interference case
    Source: CNN Politics

    CNN — Rudy Giuliani has filed a new legal challenge against the criminal charges he’s facing in Georgia over his attempts to subvert the 2020 presidential election.

    The former Trump attorney on Friday asked Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee to quash the indictment, or at least to set a hearing on the matter. Giuliani argued in the filing that there were “deficiencies” in the indictment that render it invalid, and that prosecutors are violating his rights against “double jeopardy” by how they structured the racketeering conspiracy allegations.

    The indictment is “a conspiratorial bouillabaisse consisting of purported criminal acts, daily activities, and constitutionally protected speech,” the filing argues. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis charged Giuliani last month with 13 crimes, including violating the state’s racketeering law (known as RICO), soliciting public officials to violate their oath of office, conspiring to commit forgery, and making false statements.

    State prosecutors argue that Giuliani participated in a “criminal enterprise” by peddling false claims about voter fraud to state legislators and by orchestrating the fake electors scheme. He pleaded not guilty, as have the other 18 defendants in the sweeping case. In the weeks since his indictment, Giuliani has railed against Willis, saying in a recent podcast that she is “so damn stupid” and “doesn’t even know what the RICO statute is.”

    Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/poli...ection-interference-case-challenge/index.html
     
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    I don't know anyone was allowed to object to it, grand juries are supposed to be secret for the protection of the innocent.
     
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    ROFL!

    Rudi is HALF RIGHT albeit unintentionally.

    He just described the CONSPIRACY that HE was INVOLVED in as a MAJOR player.

    However true to form he provides no EVIDENCE to support his allegations.

    The judge is going to need more than just Rudi's leaky head gasket for this to go anywhere.
     
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    'If you put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig"


    'Trump Moves to Quash Most Charges Against Him in Georgia'

    'The motion essentially piggybacked off another filed by one of the former president’s co-defendants, which gave a detailed critique of the sprawling indictment.'

    snip:

    'Among other things, Mr. Smith’s motion says that the charge of violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO — which all 19 defendants face — seeks to “punish protected First Amendment activity” and fails to “sufficiently allege the existence” of a racketeering enterprise whose goal was to overturn Mr. Trump’s narrow 2020 election loss in the state.

    The Smith filing argues that the racketeering conspiracy laid out by the prosecution was actually “comprised of millions of people throughout the country” who believed election fraud had taken place and were working toward the same goal as the defendants.'

    cont:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/us/trump-georgia-charges-motion-removal.html
     
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    So how much fame and money does one need to get an emergency stay within a day or 2?

    'Court orders DA to respond to Mark Meadows' request for emergency stay in Georgia election case

    Source: ABC News

    September 12, 2023, 4:46 PM

    The Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals has given Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis one day to respond to former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows' request for an emergency stay regarding his election interference case in Georgia.

    Meadows on Monday requested the emergency stay after a judge on Friday rejected Meadows' bid to have his case moved, based on a federal law that calls for the removal of criminal proceedings brought in state court to the federal court system when someone is charged for actions they allegedly took as a federal official acting "under color" of their office.

    Meadows and 18 others, including former President Donald Trump, have pleaded not guilty to all charges in a sweeping racketeering indictment for alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the state of Georgia. The former president says his actions were not illegal and that the investigation is politically motivated.

    The Eleventh Circuit, responding to Meadows' emergency motion, ordered Willis to submit a brief responding by noon ET Wednesday. Additionally, the court ordered both Meadows and Willis to submit briefs addressing whether the federal removal statue permits former federal officers to remove state actions to federal court, or only current federal officers'.



    Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-orders-da-respond-mark-meadows-request-emergency/story?id=103132184
     
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    Kenneth Chesebro files to have charges dismissed in Georgia election interference case
    Source: ABC News

    September 12, 2023, 6:52 PM

    Lawyers for attorney Kenneth Chesebro on Tuesday filed a motion to dismiss the charges against him in the Georgia election interference case, arguing that his actions were "justified" because he was acting "within his capacity as a lawyer" for the Trump campaign.

    "Mr. Chesebro, being an expert in constitutional law, acted within his capacity as a lawyer in researching and finding precedents in order to form a legal opinion which was then supplied to his client, the Trump Campaign," the motion said.

    In their filing, Chesebro's lawyers acknowledged that their client drafted the legal memos at the center of his alleged conduct -- one of which included a strategy to use so-called "alternate electors" to prevent Joe Biden from receiving 270 electoral votes -- but that that action was justified since Chesebro was "fulfilling his duty to his client as an attorney."

    Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-orders-da-respond-mark-meadows-request-emergency/story?id=103132184
     
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    This was posted 5 days ago so it was before Cheesey's latest motion.
    Legal heads give advice to Chesebro on how to try and stay out of jail.

    'A Letter to Kenneth Chesebro on Pleading Guilty'

    snip:

    Dear Mr. Chesebro:

    'We have observed your ongoing travails in the criminal justice system at the federal and state level. As experienced defense counsel, we write with serious concerns about your decision to proceed to trial in Georgia. Your current path represents a grave threat to your liberty. We urge you to reconsider for that purpose alone.

    We have watched as you were indicted in Fulton County, Georgia on August 14, thirteen days after being included as “Co-Conspirator Five” in the federal indictment against former President Trump. We then watched as you pleaded not guilty in Fulton County, asserted your speedy trial rights under state law, filed an unsuccessful motion to sever your trial from that of co-defendant Sidney Powell, and most recently filed a motion to dismiss under the Supremacy Clause. We do not seek to weigh in on the merits of the individual Georgia charges pending against you. Instead, we are focused here on what the best legal advice would mean for someone in your position, and how to effectuate the optimal strategy.

    First, we must acknowledge that we are not your lawyers. Instead, we are merely experienced defense counsel with a passing interest in the affairs of the day. Nothing we write here is meant to suggest that you are not being represented ably by excellent counsel who are focused on your best interests. Rather, we humbly offer our outsider’s perspective on what is a legal and personal conundrum. We are only able to write based on facts in the public domain. But, nonetheless, we offer our opinion here on how to approach your current predicament, and we do so focused resolutely on one interest only: your liberty.'

    cont:
    Long article:
    https://www.justsecurity.org/88068/a-letter-to-kenneth-chesebro-on-pleading-guilty/
     
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    'Judge declines to pause his decision to keep Georgia election case against Mark Meadows in state court'

    CNN —
    'US District Judge Steve Jones rejected a request by Donald Trump’s former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that he pause his decision to not move the Georgia election subversion case to federal court.

    Meadows had asked the federal judge to issue an emergency stay so he could avoid the possibility of being convicted in state court while he’s still fighting to move his case to federal court.

    Jones was unmoved. “Meadows’s contentions that he would be irreparably harmed by the possibility of facing trial next month are insufficient to carry his burden on the emergency stay requested. No trial date has been set for Meadows, and he admits that it is not guaranteed his trial will be in October.”

    cont:
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/politics/mark-meadows-federal-court-election-case/index.html
     
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    It was released because GA state law required it be released

    GA15-2-80
    Grand juries are authorized to recommend to the court the publication of the whole or any part of their general presentments and to prescribe the manner of publication. When the recommendation is made, the judge shall order the publication as recommended. Reasonable charges therefor shall be paid out of the county treasury, upon the certificate of the judge, as other court expenses are paid.

    The SGJ recommended the report be released and this statute states when that happens the judge SHALL (no discretion) order the publication.
     
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