Donald Trump Military Parade

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  1. ESTT

    ESTT Well-Known Member

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    I'm not certain if a thread already exists for this or not. But I've been wondering for some time what the issue is many Americans have with Donald Trump's military parade.
    Personally, I don't care much for him or the ideology of the United States as a whole, but I have to admit I've always been envious of these type of events. I've seen footage of the Third Reich and Soviet Union, and even many countries today such as North Korea and France showing their full military marching down a major street or square. Most of the U.S. military "parades" I've seen are simply underwhelming, with a few men and women marching alongside some historical society's World War II jeep. Anyway, I'm curious as to why this is seen as a problem. If I supported the U.S., I'd be very excited about this new direction in celebrating American military might.
     
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    That's the main reason folks have a problem with it including the vast majority of the actual US military of which I am a part. These types of things are what "bad guy countries" do. Flaunting your military might via parades through the capital with the President saluting is just tasteless and brings up images of the nations you mentioned that I highlighted.

    We don't need to celebrate our military might like that. The whole world is fully aware of what the United States is capable of, we have no reason so parade our weapons of war through Washington DC....

    Plus with the current shortage of military personnel and the very hectic operations tempo we military folks have more important things to do than march in some parade right now. We are critically understaffed and busier than we've been in almost a decade. The last thing we need right now if for some of us to get tasked with marching in some huge unnecessary parade that makes us look like Stalin's Red Army making the world think we are even more arrogant and "war monger" than they already think we are.
     
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  3. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You will find that liberals do not like to see how great America is.

    They despise this nation to the core.

    In their view we should be ashamed of who we are, not proudly flaunt it.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Not really, this parade thing is a red flag and it's not just liberals saying that. A poll from the military was conducted and something like 90% of them even said this was a bad idea and the military, especially the Army and Marines, are largely Conservative.

    It's just tasteless that's all. I'm all for American pride and American military power, but a military parade through DC makes us look like the 3rd Reich or the Red Army which are comparisons that I don't appreciate.

    Airshows and whatnot are fine, but military parades.....not so much. It's not about being ashamed of who we are but no we should not proudly flaunt it like that. It makes us look like aggressors and war mongers flaunting our war weapons around. There's a reason why "enemy" nations always do these sorts of things while the US doesn't. It should stay that way.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We used to hold military parades all the time and nobody thought it made us look like the 3rd Reich or the Red Army.

    They used to be quite popular as a matter of fact and you can easily check the many reviews of previous ones we've had.

    Its only been since liberalism crept into our national consciousness that people have begun to think like that and that's because it shows strength in our nation, something liberals hate.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I dunno, I think it makes us look bad and the vast majority of the military doesn't want to do one. 89% to be exact from the recent military times poll asking about it which seems to be a pretty accurate representation seeing how that mirror the sentiments of basically everybody at work.

    Here's the thing. I appreciate that the President appreciates us and wants to have a parade honoring the troops. But for one it's US who have to be in the thing and two we really are too busy to be dealing with a parade right now. We're understaffed big time and we are very busy across the board. This is the first actual weekend I've had off in two months. We are at work trying to fulfill obligations that require anywhere from 40-60% more personnel than we actually have.

    We're as busy as we are mainly because of Trump and Mattis and the direction they want to take the military in, which is a good thing, but it requires a lot of work it's more work than we have actual personnel to do it. Pulling troops out of formation to go march in a parade in already critically low units across the board is a terrible idea right now.

    In layman's terms, we don't have time for this **** and the only people who actually like military parades are the civilians who watch them and don't have to actually participate in parades because actually participating in military parades sucks for the participants lol.

    Want to honor the troops and thank them for what they do? Give them a universal week off across the board of non-chargeable leave next month as a thank you for putting us through this ridiculous operations tempo they've had us on for the past half year comprised of twice the work and half the personnel to actually do it.

    Pulling troops to go and march in a parade right now isn't going to boost morale, it's going to piss us off lol. You want to know how we feel about a parade right now then go walk into my hangar on Monday and ask some random person about it and see what they say lol.
     
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    If you knew you were lazy you probably shouldn't have joined the military, which you did volunteer for, so yeah.....have fun marching.

    I don't like many things about my job either but guess what, I still have to do them.

    Its called being a grown up.

    And what on earth makes you think this parade is for you?

    Its for us, the ones who actually pay for it, we want to see what we are getting for our money.
     
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    The parades that you see put on in small towns made up mostly of Am Vets and American Legion folks are usually held on specific holidays celebrating a special day in history. A military 'pass and review' parade is a very formal even put on by countries mentioned in the OP and do not celebrate a holiday. They are in honor of the person on the reviewing stand. That is why you see people saluting the dictator as they march past him. The majority of Americans do not want to lick trump's boots.
     
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    This liberal doesn't hate the USA and is an Army veteran...Maybe you shouldn't try to speak for me..
     
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    A fricking parade ain't gonna show what you be getting...
     
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    Should have thought of that before they signed up.
     
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    This event is called a parade by ciciews but to a military person they are called dog and pony shows...
     
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    That's the stupidest posting I've seen today. What branch of service were you in and when?
     
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    Lazy? I've been to 3 wars...I would hardly classify myself as lazy.

    Forgive us troops for being exhausted for being at war for the past 17 years and currently dealing with a massive troop shortage and trying desperately to continue providing adequate protection to this nation with about 60% of the bodies we actually need to do it. And spending 8 months of our time back in the states in rotational training exercises inbetween year on year off deployments to war zones.

    No we aren't lazy, we are exhausted. If all of that isn't good enough and you need to SEE what you get for your money in the form of us marching down the street in some parade then that's sad and way more disrespectful than I believe you are intending to be.

    We've worked 14 hours a day 6 days a week since New Years. It's not just us, this is happening across the board. Forgive us for rather wishing we had a day off inbetween all of that instead of being pulled to go march in some parade then sent right back to work again because we literally don't have the bodies anymore to give people full weekends let alone leave.

    We are people too, we aren't machines. But you're right, we don't do this for us, we do it for you. And it's nice to know that you appreciate us lazy Soldiers so much.
     
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    Excuse me but wouldn't they be pulling you from those 14hr days, 6 days a week to stand around practicing marching?

    Seems like a hell of a nice break from what you usually do.
     
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    I see the reasoning as far as being understaffed. Though I tend to envy these "bad guys" for their strength and brave attempt at creating ideological unity. Even if I don't agree with their specific ideologies.
     
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    I'm not any sort of fan of the United States either. Personally, I despise everything these "founding fathers" stood for. However, since I have very totalitarian views, I tend to see displaying military strength as a positive. If liberals embraced it, they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now.
     
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    I think a military parade would be silly and expensive, and make us look like the old Soviet Union. I think a lot generals think the same.

    Liberals despise certain behaviors in the US. Conservatives tend to blindly deny that wrong occurs in the US.
     
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    And that right there is exactly why things like military parades in the United States aren't a good thing. As you said, you have totalitarian views and you like that display of military strength. We are not totalitarian, we shouldn't "like" that sort of thing.

    Now granted it's no secret that the US has the most powerful military on the planet. Everybody knows that, and whether it's good or bad or whatever, we do tend to "use" our military on other people more often than basically any other nation in the world.

    So saying that, it doesn't look good for us to be parading our military down the street the way the North Koreans and Iranians do....We have already shown that we WILL use our military on you if we so desire...parading it around makes us look a bit arrogant and war like. Which aren't good "views" to have of us in a world where the US has flat out invaded 2 nations in the past 2 decades and has troops stationed in 77% of the countries on the planet...

    World politics is a chess game. This sort of thing sends the wrong message in my book...
     
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    Yup, youre 100% right.

    These fake news idiots would have us believe air shows dont exist all over the country already.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you someone who has never spent hours on their feet in the hot ass sun marching around pointlessly.

    It isn’t a break.
     
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    Jesus, the way you guys bitch and moan its a surprise nobody has taken over our country yet.

    "Oh I can't fight, my feet hurt.....its too hot",....blah blah blah
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    When and where did you serve again?

    BTW, everyone, I give you the supposed “respect” the Right has for the military.
     
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    Well we don't like to advertise our internationally illegal cluster bombs which are known to have a 90% collateral casualty rate that we supply to the Whahabist Saudis.
     
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    I didn't serve because I realized that if I did that I might have to march as part of my job and I hate marching.

    So instead of signing up anyways and then complaining I simply chose another route like any normal adult would do.
     

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