Don't want to shatter your fragile mindsets....

Neither will I. I would tell them that I was brave enough to keep the same moniker throughout my discussions. I wonder if you could do the same? Hmmm

 

The light poles couldn't have been staged; those are some of the busiest roads in the region and certainly would have been noticed by a traffic jam. Not one person reported downed poles in the middle of the street.

Fail.

Now, please, in your own words, explain what took down the light poles if it wasn't AA77.

Yo! Sammy, is this bashing? I'm asking Scotty a question that she won't answer.

 

Sorry Hannibal, I apologize to you. It is candy who uses the signature twoofer insult. Just like clockwork, say the name enough or mention 9/11 enough and they come running. To answer your question candy, I am not 100% sure. The reason I am not 100% sure is because all the information has not been given to me. I know I have been lied to though. For instance, the pilots did not learn to fly at some prop school. I have multiple family friends who are pilots, military and civilian some have flown 757s, 747s, etc. and all have said you cannot fly a plane with that precision after learning at some crappy prop school. So there is lie number one. If they can lie once about something, then they have the potential to lie about many things. I have another friend that worked at the pentagon as a technician, he saw no planes and somehow when the first plane hit the tower the network went down and he worked for hours trying to restore it and never found out what went wrong, then the Pentagon gets hit by something. He still has no idea what happened to the network. I guess those terrorists crashed our network too. I know I will be bashed for anecdotal evidence and that is fine. I trust the people who supplied me with this information. And I have seen you or hannibal use the eyewitness accounts of people saying they saw a plane hit the pentagon a few times and that is anecdotal evidence as well because we don't know if they are telling the truth or not. I trust the people who gave me my information. I am not the type of truther to make completely outlandish claims about I think Hannibal called them "death rays from the sky" in one post. No, I am not that type of truther. I, however, believe we have been lied to or that a lot of the truth has been omitted. The famous Nazi propagandist Goebbels once said, "It is easy to get a country to go to war, you tell them they have been attacked and then wave the flag." Considering the war on terror started right after and we are still there, and our politicians had the audacity to name the most unconstitutional act in United States history the PATRIOT Act, it all reeks of bs to me. That is what I believe. I do not know what happened exactly because I do not have all the information. I am trying to find it. I do not believe everyone in Congress or in the government knew about it. I do not think Congress met in some dark room and voted on this behind our back or something. I think a few critical personnel, Bush, maybe some commanders, and a few greased palms here or there was all they needed to make sure it happened.

 

I've done explained this to you.

9/11 truth delegitimizes the War on Terror and makes it much harder to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim world.

 

I have always used this moniker on any forum I am on. Brave? Brave for eating up the official story and believing every single thing the mainstream media and government tells you to be true. The brave are those who ask questions. The ones who speak out when their opinion is the minority. You are in the majority.

Did you know under Gaddafi that the literacy rate in Libya grew from 10% to 90%? Did you know gasoline was 14 cents a liter in Libya? Did you know healthcare was free? Did you know education was free? Did you know that he is the main reason The Great Manmade River is there allowing irrigation in the desert? Did you know newlyweds were given $50,000 upon getting married? Did you know that the Libyan government would pay for half the cost of your car if you purchased one? Did you know he increased housing in Libya far more than anyone else has? Did you know that if you wanted to be a farmer, the government supplied seeds, the house, the tools, and the land free of charge? If you answered no to all these questions that is because the western media did not tell you about them. Why? Because Gaddafi kept Libya 100% debt free. He did not sell his country to the bankers. He wanted a United Africa. He wanted gold for his oil instead of paper money and when he decided that he sealed his fate. The west could not allow that happen so the media starts a propaganda campaign tells us the people wanted him out, when they really didn't. The west did for their own economic gain.

Before I am branded a sympathizer, Gaddafi was by no means a saint he did some bad things. But what government in history has not? We rounded up Japanese Americans during World War II and put them in camps. We interfered in a part of the world we had no reason interfering in. We ousted a government that was not that unpopular but we were told they were, and we have doomed the Libyan people to decades of hardship and civil strife when in reality they were the wealthiest and one of the most stable countries in Africa. We did it all for our own economic gain. The media told you none of that did they?

 

I don't see why not.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9632

There are plausible scenarios that would explain the light poles. The clearest evidence of an inside job is the photos of the craft that hit the Pentagon that were released by the govenment. The light pole issue doesn't make the other evidence go away.

This analysis shows that the craft that hit the Pentagon wasn't long enough to be a 757.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/911_part_iii.htm

The nose of the craft that hit the Pentagon was not shaped like the nose of a 757.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

According to the witnesses in this 8-part video...
National Security Alert - Sensitive Information Part 1/8 - YouTube

...the 757 they saw didn't come from the direction that it would have had to come from in order to hit the light poles. It looks like a 757 flew over the Pentagon and the craft that hit it came in from a different angle.

You have an autoritative patronizing attitude, but what you're actually saying is pretty lame.

Here's some more stuff.

Inside 9/11 - Who controlled the planes? - YouTube
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html


At the 3:55 time mark of this video it's pointed out that there were lots of cameras at the Pentagon.
9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media - YouTube

They have very clear footage of the craft coming in and hitting the Pentagon but they won't let us see it.

http://www.physics911.net/omholt
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-they-didnt-use-757-to-hit-pentagon.html
http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson
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In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.
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candycorn has a foregone conclusion and ignores all the evidence that doesn't go in the direction of that conclusion.

 

Why do you keep grasping at straws trying to explain away the truth,scott?

And if anyone has an 'authoratative attitude it's YOU,educating us poor 'rubes'.

By the way,what of the taxi on the freeway damaged by one of the light poles? was that staged as well?

 

Because the photographic evidence clearly shows at least one of the poles in the middle of the road. Obviously this would have caused massive traffic jams and would have been reported.

There is no way the pole was staged. Not to mention the cab that was hit by the pole. Unless you really want to qualify for a Section 8 and state that somehow the cab driver was in on the plan.

In your own words, lets hear them.

Lets also hear about why they would be staged? If flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, why go through the trouble staging the light poles and saying it did? Just increase the angle of inbound projectile to miss the poles? Have it hit the other side of the building so you don't have to worry about paying someone to stage the poles, having someone see the guys you paid, and leaving a loose end after it is over?

Lets hear your explanations...your words.

Why thank you. I get my "autoritative" (some would call it authoritative by the way) from being 100% right and having 100% of the evidence support my statements. As for patronizing; perhaps. Look what you're giving me to work with.

Step your game up.

 

Jeez..."every single thing"....what a lame argument. Sounds as if you're frustrated, angry, and somewhat put off by nobody believing what you say.

Your problem pal, not mine.

The "brave" are the ones who seek the truth, not ask questions in some lame attempt to get the attention on a message board that they are not interesting enough to garner in real life.

Do you live in Libya? 'Nuff said. Love how you pass off bombing Pan Am 103 out of the sky as a "bad" thing.... Oh brother. And by the way, his people loved him so much they killed him.

Save your "yeah but" response. I don't care.

 

This is really silly.. Talk to a Boeing pilot.

They didn't reinforce the floors and walls either..

 

Candy just out of sheer curiosity what would you accept as evidence? The engineers who disagree with the official story are not evidence in your eyes. The firefighters who claimed they heard bombs are not evidence in your eyes. The seemingly non coincidental events that creativedreams outlined are obviously not evidence.

I am not trying to pick a fight, I am simply asking what will you accept as any type of evidence. If the only way you will accept evidence is the mainstream media and/or the government coming out and just flat out saying "hey it was an inside job" then it is pretty pointless to argue with you. Because that will never ever happen.

 

"Yeah but" you regurgitate what the mainstream media tells you. Otherwise you might know many of the rebels were donning Qatari military uniforms and had the full backing of NATO. If we didn't have an agenda then why did we get involved? Spare me any humanitarian drivel. Maybe because Gaddafi wanted a United Africa and wanted gold for his oil. I have talked to Egyptians and Libyans. I have heard what they have to say. I do not get my information from the boob tube. I actually seek people out who are close to the situation and ask them questions. There is a whole big world out there besides your little box. Maybe you should expand your horizons a bit. I love how you assume to know how I am in real life. You know nothing about me. The only thing I know about you is when it comes to Aristotelian logic you are a walking textbook on how to commit the fallacy of ad hominem. I am not asking you to believe the way I do. I am simply stating that you constantly airing a superiority complex and getting on a message board pretending you are better than everyone is kind of tired of played out. I told you what I thought and it wasn't so bizarre that it was outside the realm of possibility. Far crazier things have happened. I do not know what exactly happened because I do not have all the information and I do not pretend to. I simply ask questions. Some truther questions are thought provoking, some are no better than science fiction. I wade through them and find the ones I think pose good questions and I dismiss the ones that aren't good questions. I however do not dismiss the entire movement as absurdity.

 

I'll agree, it is pretty pointless of you to argue with me since I have 100% of the facts on my side as per usual.

As for what I would accept... start with this...

An explanation of what knocked down the light poles outside of the Pentagon on 9/11 if it wasn't AA77; why they would be planted since light poles is hardly something that is involved in many plane crashes, why they would hijack AA77 then not use it, and finally how the DNA of the passengers got there. AA77 blows any conspiracy theory out of the water all by itself.

You want more?

Secondarily is to the answer of why no WMDs were found in Iraq after war was declared. Surely it would have been much easier to fabricate the findings of WMDs in that vacuum of the world where we controlled every variable yet Bush and company didn't do it? That makes zero sense.

 

Firefighters also said they heard trains. Do you accept that as evidence that there were trains in the buildings?

 

So, if the "real" planes landed at military bases and substitute planes did the damage, what happened to the passengers? Where are they? Are their families pretending to grieve, or have they been stashed away in area 51?

You see, there's the problem with a conspiracy on the scale you are promoting...;there are simply too many people to contain, too many people who stand to make a few million on the book rights..


But then, anything's possible in the kind of fantasy world you live in....

 

Simply asked if you lived in Libya since you seem to think it was some modern day Utopia. If you don't live there...then you don't really know...do you?

 

Well hot shot? Explain away.

 

Nothing. (unless it's in the "official" BS report). There are several folks here who subscribe to this prepaid mentality. I'm sure you have figured out who they are by now. Just post, and don't respond to the dance attempts. It's pointless and prepaid.

 

Prove this. You dance only because you can provide no evidence for any of your claims.

 

That's very plausible. Start watching this video at the 5:00 time mark.
National Security Alert - Sensitive Information Part 6/8 - YouTube

You haven't said anything that actually debunks this scenario.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9632
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Our first helicopter flight was around 10AM. But we were expecting President George W. Bush to land in Marine One around 12 Noon, returning from Jacksonville, Florida. (He had actually left from the Pentagon the day before.) Needless to say, neither flight arrived at the Pentagon that day because of the terrorist attacks.
source

This means that they had all the excuse they needed to "secure" the area in preparation for his arrival and this would even be quite routine and expected for the people in the area since the President travels from there regularly.
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Saying something lame and then just having the attitude that you've debunked it isn't enough. You have to actually debunk it. The above scenario will remain plausible until someone actually debunks it so the light poles do not prove that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

There are plausible scenarios that would explain what happened to the passengers. We just don't know which one is the correct one. A plausible theory is put forward in this video at the 44:00 time mark.
9/11 - Painful Deceptions - (Full Length). - YouTube

There's also a plausible scenario that would explain Barbara Olson.
http://letsrollforums.com/barbara-olson-9-11-t20525.html?

The way you people ignore the clear evidence that leads to an inside job in favor of theories that have plausible alternative scenarios makes it pretty obvious.

The math shows that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/911_part_iii.htm

The nose of the craft that hit the Pentagon is not shaped like that of a 757.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

This alone closes the whole case. You people know this so you play it down and try to bury it to reduce the number of people who see it. It's really amusing the way you people have the attitude that you're winning the whole time you're losing. I doubt you're fooling very many of the viewers.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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Human remains of every passenger on Flight 77 except one were recovered and identified.

This can hardly be explained away (as some have have tried to do) simply by saying "the government made this up".
We're talking about a team of pathologists, dentists, anthropologists, fingerprint specialists, radiologists, DNA technologists, photographers, morticians, etc.
Were they all a part of the "conspiracy" too? And why would all these physicians and scientists want to be a part of a "conspiracy" to cover up the worst treason and mass murder in United States history?
And even if we stretch our imaginations, and we accept the premise that all these doctors and scientists would want to do this, what are the chances that not one of them, in the ten years since this happened, has had a change of heart and ratted this out? Because not one has.

We know for a fact that American Airlines Flight 77 took off from Dulles on 9-11 with passengers and crew. So if it disappeared, that would mean the supposed "inside jobbers" were in control of it.
So "why". Why would anyone, terrorists, inside jobbers, or anyone else in control of an airliner already, not want to use that airliner on the building? Why would it not occur to anyone to use the airliner they were already in control of, and instead want to use something else? And then, as if by the use of some magic, not only have to trick all the potential eyewitnesses into thinking it was the airliner, but have to convince the whole entire world that it was the airliner, and then have to cover that up for perpetuity. Not to mention that it would require making the 300,000 lb airliner and all it's passengers and crew disappear.

The woo is strong with this one.

 

tidbit I found.....shows large jets can fly low to the ground and fast

[ame="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o&NR=1&feature=fvwp"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/ame]

 

Epic Fail.

There continutes to be no possibility that the light poles were staged. Zero. Nada. Too many withesses who saw nothing, too much traffic obstruction that didn't take place and zero accounting for why the poles would be included in the scenario in the first place.

 

You pro-official version people cling to arguments that have plausible alternative scenarios and therefore don't constitute proof. You ignore clear evidence that doesn't go in the direction of your foregone conclusion. I say that these two pictures prove that 9/11 was an inside job by themselves.

The math shows that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/911_part_iii.htm

In this picture we can see the nose of the craft that hit the Pentagon.
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg

It's not the nose of a 757.

Stop avoiding this evidence and debunk it if you're so sure I'm wrong.

 

People in rush hour traffic didn't notice a cab with a big hole in it's windshield,parked crossways in the middle of the road?