Dr. Didier Rault Issues Response to Biased Study Critical of Hydroxychloroquine

https://techstartups.com/2020/04/22...nse-biases-study-critical-hydroxychloroquine/

Dr. Raoult in great detail debunks a junk study supposedly showing the drug doesn't work. Also addresses the politics involved in what should be a non-partisan discussion. The biggest scams of this study were hydroxychloroquine was given to patients who were very bad and intubated, where it is known the drug works best earlier in the virus cycle. There were patients in the control group who were given hydroxycloroquine and and antibiotic know to fight the virus. This is scientific fraud.

 

Politics is playing with lives. The dems want it to fail for no other reason than it was Trump who mentioned it had promise during a press conference.

 

No need for being disingenuous. He did far more than mention it had promise. He encouraged people to take it. He said it couldn't hurt. He stocked up on millions of doses. Yet, today, when the subject was broached he ignored the question and the reporter.

I would be thrilled if it was the magic cure. Regardless of who is flogging it. What doesn't thrill me is a POTUS who is surrounded by doctors and scientists, yet insists on riffing on his own. And, as was apparent today, he hauls them up to say what he wants them to. Thankfully, when pressed, the CDC director had to admit that he wasn't misquoted. And then Fauci had to disagree with Trump on the outlook for the fall.

 

Fauci isn't infallible, he changed his mind on face masks and in late Feb. said the US virus threat was miniscule and only hypothetical.

 

But you believe Trump is infallible.

 

I don't think you got the memo. Trump is not touting this as a game changer any more. He hasn't mentioned it by name in about a week.

You have new marching orders. You are now allowed to let this drop, never mention it again and pretend that you never thought it had any promise. Or you could nail your colors to the mast and keep saying that this drug is going to save the world. Unfortunately that is no longer your idol's position.

 

Dr. Redfield the CDC director absolutely stated that he was misquoted. He actually said that the fall could be bad due to the possible combination of influenza and coronavirus. He then stated that the medical community was much better prepared to identify coronavirus risers and how to isolate and control them. And Dr. Fauci (as well as Dr. Birx) agreed with Dr. Redfield's statements.

Why are spreading untruths about this ??

 

These guys are:

Dr. Didier Raoult
Dr. Stephan Smith
Dr. Mark Siegel
Dr. Marlon Hernandez
Dr. Mohammad Ariswalla
Dr. Ramin Oskui

They have all saved lives using hydroxychloroquine

 

Idol? Whoever called Donald Trump an idol?(And yes, Donald is known for saying one thing, and saying another thing the next.) But that is neither here nor there. The actual TOPIC of the OP, if you care to actually read it, is that the French Doctor responded to some rather obvious flaws in the study, flaws I pointed out to Bowerbird when discussing it.)

These flaws, as the doctor pointed out(and was glaringly obvious to anyone who actually READ the study) is that these 'patients' were not clinically chosen to test these drugs, and rather when they were "chosen", they were chosen at the poorest point of health, so as to create the conditions for the most obvious outcome!

This too, is a betrayal of the hippocratic oath to do no harm. There is tremendous harm done in doing a "study" for the specific purpose of an AH-HA. We need real studies, with non-bias'd perspective and purposes, with the only agenda being to let the evidence bare itself out, instead of manufacturing evidence.

 

He didn't ignore the question. He said that they would look into it and Dr. Didier Raoult has done so. And the following Dr.'s will be weighing in sometime in the next few days as well

Dr. Stephan Smith
Dr. Mark Siegel
Dr. Marlon Hernandez
Dr. Mohammad Ariswalla
Dr. Ramin Oskui

The VA study is a joke. Here is the initial 2 page memo from Dr. Raoult:

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Response-to-Magagnoli.pdf

 

Yes, the way in which this study was conducted was immoral.

 

8(or more) of the said patients had terminal diseases like Cancer, HIV, etc. When I read that, I literally face palmed. What part(if any) of it is even remotely controlled? That's not a controlled study, unless you want to deliberately fail the drug. Then it's a "controlled study".

 

Even if the studied was flawed, it doesn't prove that HCQ is effective. Dr. Raoult's own findings are flawed in that he did not conduct a randomized double-blind study.

My point remains. Trump repeatedly mentioned the drug by name in tweets and press conferences. But he hasn't done so in about a week. He is backing off his initial optimism but his followers don't seem to have got the memo.

 

They may have prescribed HCQ to their patients, and the patients may have survived, but that is not the same thing as saving lives.
Your conclusion is a bit like finding some people who safely drove home after drinking two beers and concluding that drinking before you drive saves lives.

The only way to determine whether HCQ is effective is in a randomized double-blind study. The studies that come closest to that show no benefit.

You're obviously stuck on Trump's memo from two weeks ago that HCQ could be a game-changer. You haven't got the latest memo to shut up and pretend he never mentioned it.

 

~ Sad but true. Even worse the "news" media goes along for the ride ... ´

 

There's levels of flawed(and we can agree that the doctors showing effectiveness may have been flawed as well), but the recent study was so categorically flawed as to have been dismissed, and if not for "OMFG, Trump called it a "miracle cure"(he didn't), the left would also have dismissed this 'study' too, rightfully so since it contains thereby no valid information.

I'm all for finding out more about all 20 drugs, and I'm all for it happening in a quick enough time in a proper study. That's all I/we want. And it needs to be done not to prove a point. It was never a "Trump drug". It's ****ing medicine.

Give it the respect it deserves. Why should the sacred patient-doctor be damaged to hit a gotcha point? Is there no depths we won't stoop to, just to 'defeat Trump'?

 

~ If you are admitted to hospital diagnosed with Wuhan virus and the M.D. prescribed Hydroxychloroquine would you refuse to take it ?

 

The study doesn't prove anything. The Secretary of the VA, Robert Wilkie, was on MSNBC and stated that this small survey was conducted on elderly patients with multiple preconditions that were unfortunately in the last stages of life. He went on to say that hydroxychloroquine has been very effective in stopping the progression of the coronavirus disease in young and middle aged patients.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/robert-wilkie-hcq-va-test-veterans/2020/04/22/id/964134/

He is backing off nothing. The doctors I've listed above are not backing off as well and very many hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine as standard coronavirus treatement.

 

You seem to be talking about the Trump virus.
I would sure as hell ask the basis on which he was prescribing the drug. Risks, side effects, dangers and - importantly - the results.

As of today there is NO scientific study (randomized, double-blind) that indicates it is any help at all. I have a friend who is v high up in pharma who tells me that everything he has seen indicates it is no better than a placebo. Other drugs (not produced by his company) show real promise, but not this one.

So yeah, as of today, I would probably decline to take it.

 

~ You must be referring to the Trump Hate Syndrome ? That treatment involves group therapy . No Hydroxychloroquine / zinc.

 

You called the novel coronavirus the Wuhan virus. You say Wuhan virus, I say Trump virus.
Or you could just call it by its proper name.

 

That's it. And by morning it will be like it never happened.

 

+ Dr Anthony Cardillo
and Dr Vlad Zelenko
Between them over 1000 saved!

It is important to note that the elixir consists of the combination of Zinc Sulfate with Hydroxycloroquine.
Azithromyacin is noted in the PDR as having a contraindication with Cloroquine, and isn't necessarily administered.

 

Never in my life would I have thought that some want something to fail to save lives simply because they are a partisan. Jesus Trump says a drug has shown promise and hopefully it will prove to work and the left losses there mind. This is a baffling one for me because at the end of the day if a lefty gets it I don't care if it's Tylenol or Hydroxycloroquine that saves there life, I just hope it's saved. It's a really sad state of affair when someone sets up a faulty trial with patients on there deathbeds and a political party rejoices. After all the world has been through you would think that maybe any hope would be good news but partisan hatred rules the day with lefties.

 

Do you not believe that 'more difficult' and 'more complicated' means 'worse' when it comes to covid in the fall? You might want to look at 6:00. The headline was not a direct quote, but Redfield confirmed that he was not misquoted in the article.



In addition, when Trump was asked why he retweeted the article he responded by pointing at her and telling her that she wasn't called.

And throughout his comments, Trump asserted that Covid would not come back. Which was contradicted by Fauci and Birx several times.