Dr Paul Craig Roberts exposes the Osama Bin ladne myth.

You quoted plague311's post (#22) but you responded to my argument.

I addressed the issues you raised on this other thread. Most of it is in this post.
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/275987-few-debunking-links.html#post1061951134

There are plausible scenarios that would explain what we're told about the radar, DNA, eyewitnesses, etc. Your attitude that they constitute real proof is pretty lame.

 

I love Scott and his "plausible scenario" bull(*)(*)(*)(*). He pretends if something CAN CONCEIVABLY happen, that it did, in fact, happen. It doesn't matter that there are serious flaws in his "scenarios" that cannot be explained by the evidence. It doesn't matter that there are serious flaws that can't even stand up to casual observation. He will hold on to his precious "plausible scenarios" and deny the evidence to the end of his days. It is what truthers do.

 

So now you are able to tell me how I feel, wow. There's nothing you can't do is there? Truthers are the best. I can comment on how you're a sick person to hand waive away literal mountains of evidence in exchange for someone saying that you should see a shadow in a security cam footage, or even pretending that you can see the nose cone. I offered an entire website with hundreds of eye witnesses, radar, and flight paths showing that it was flight 77. In return, Scott shows me 2 stills and tells me to look for shadows? Get real. All those facts can't be debunked by lack of a shadow, and anyone that believes that is a complete moron.

My requesting people to leave the country isn't me being frustrated, it's you guys being frustrated. I am just providing a means to get what you guys want. You don't want to live in a "police state" (only people who have no idea what a police state is would say something so extremely ridiculous), and I am providing you a chance to go to a non-police state country.

Once again, thank you for letting me know how my emotions are, that's great for you to clue me. As far as the rest, keep drinking the kool-aid that the woo supports put out there. I am not the one that buys it, because I am intelligent enough to understand the other evidence. If you aren't\don't than it is no skin off my back, I will continue to post the evidence, and woo kids can continue to base their scientific research on shadows from a security camera.

Like I said, this is purely for entertainment. Watching you guys soak this stuff up and really believing it is nothing more than entertainment for me.

 

From your own source, pretty much the third line in:

So, you were saying?

I haven't feigned, I read those links. Even the long ass appeal to congress that I felt was completely irrelevant. That's how I felt about every other link you posted. I felt they were irrelevant and your way of saying "the government has done things in the past, they obviously did this."

Hey...that's exactly what you're doing now. Had Gaddafi attacked the US recently? Did he have the means and knowledge to kill 3K+? You are comparing apples to oranges, and you know it.

Jesus, I can't make it more transparent for you. Now I have proven you are wrong by using your own link and I was only 5 sentences in. If you can't piece it together than just drop it. It's obvious you can draw any connection to any truther garbage that comes along, but this has you stumped. We do have something to fear by inciting a group of people that have known to be violent, recently. There is no need to encourage them or give them another reason to attack us either over seas or at home. Just because you think it won't happen doesn't mean it won't.

Anything else? You've told me my own feelings and posted wrong information.

 

Like I said, the "It was because of a video" talking points are incorrect. If you had bothered to read the rest of link I provided you, you'd clearly see that point. The event in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, not a spontaneous protest as the administration said.

" I haven't feigned, I read those links. Even the long ass appeal to congress that I felt was completely irrelevant. That's how I felt about every other link you posted. I felt they were irrelevant and your way of saying "the government has done things in the past, they obviously did this.""
Irrelevant? So you too then deny that A Clean Break was initiated 'at least' as a result of 9/11? And if that is true, then you must think US and Israeli military and political actions taken in the Middle East against Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria are coincidental?

 

Just because you think it would happen doesn't mean that it will. Our drones bomb the hell out of al Qaeda, and our soldiers engage them in combat. We've kicked the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of them and their rank structure since going to War with them. I recall nothing of noteworthiness after we excommunicated OBL. Al Qaeda can still get us, undoubtedly, but their attacks are small scale in comparison to what they previously orchestrated.

 

How many times do I have to tell you I don't care about politics? When will it finally sink in? I am not discussing any of that crap because it bores me to absolute death.

A Clean Break - Don't care
PNAC - Don't care
You guys bringing up exposed things the government has done in the past, politically, as evidence they did 9/11 - I don't care

Jango, guy, I don't care about politics. Do you understand? You can say it wasn't about the video, and post about reading more of the article. However, if you point out that they blatantly (*)(*)(*)(*)ing say something that is later completely turned around in the article, then why the hell would I read it? That means at the very least it is directly contradicting to itself, that means it's not factual, that means it can't be trusted, that means I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what it has to say. See how I did that? I looked at the source, saw it was self contradicting, and realized that I should research somewhere else. Especially since anyone can put anything on wikipedia they want, that doesn't make it a reliable source at times. Hence why I don't use it often unless it's to explain common sense issues. Politics on wikipedia is like politics everywhere else, it's subject to peoples opinions.

 

How many times do I have to tell you I don't care about politics? When will it finally sink in? I am not discussing any of that crap because it bores me to absolute death.

A Clean Break - Don't care
PNAC - Don't care
You guys bringing up exposed things the government has done in the past, politically, as evidence they did 9/11 - I don't care

Jango, guy, I don't care about politics. Do you understand? You can say it wasn't about the video, and post about reading more of the article. However, if you point out that they blatantly (*)(*)(*)(*)ing say something that is later completely turned around in the article, then why the hell would I read it? That means at the very least it is directly contradicting to itself, that means it's not factual, that means it can't be trusted, that means I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what it has to say. See how I did that? I looked at the source, saw it was self contradicting, and realized that I should research somewhere else. Especially since anyone can put anything on wikipedia they want, that doesn't make it a reliable source at times. Hence why I don't use it often unless it's to explain common sense issues. Politics on wikipedia is like politics everywhere else, it's subject to peoples opinions.

 

So what do you care about then? Knowing more about 9/11 doesn't seem to be a concern. What does seem like a concern to you is to defend administration talking points, no matter the political leaning. Do you not care about foreign policy? Specifically, our foreign policy. You seem to care a lot about posting the antithesis of truther sources, debunker sources. So, what is your end game? You clearly support the government's version of events on 9/11. However, because of your own personal disdain, you refuse to partake in 'political' discussions when it pertains to 9/11. You hand-wave, "don't care", or find somehow irrelevant the information I've presented... when in today's reality, the events of A Clean Break are still happening. But that's right, you don't care. You, like the others, probably think there's no reason whatsoever for this conspiracy. A Clean Break is the foreign policy doctrine we've been following and will continue to follow until completion.

 

Look at the emotion in your posts. Your words are anger driven. Frustration is a building block for anger. Technically, you could be correct, meaning I made an overestimation, but that would require you to have written completely empty words - void of emotion. As in, you were just dishing out personal attacks for the hell of it. Nevertheless, deny away.

 

He's answered this repeatedly ... Why do you keep asking the same question?

 

I care about the fact that you guys peddle these conspiracy theories like snake oil salesman. I care about defending the deaths of those that past on 9/11 by giving correct information as to the events that happened on 9/11. I care about giving people who (*)(*)(*)(*) on those graves an earful of fact, and evidence.

I think I know more about 9/11 than you ever will. Politics weren't 9/11, religious fanatics that wanted to stick it to the western culture was 9/11. I feel like I've said this a million (*)(*)(*)(*)ing times. I know 9/11 was used a political motivation, but that doesn't mean the government formulated it. All that means it that they took advantage of a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty situation.

For the 5,000th time, no I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about our foreign policy. In fact, there are few things that I could give a rats ass less about than our foreign policy. Truther sources are each other, no one with any valid experience or knowledge agrees with truthers. You can believe whatever you want, but believing the crap spewed by the truther sites is garbage.

My end game is to continue debunking the absolute crap truthers post here in regards to 9/11. To show that the sources truthers use are based on lies, cherrypicking, quote mining, and deception. My goal is to show that, once again, despite 9/11 being used for political gains, it was a conspiracy plot created by Al Qaeda for the purpose of punishing the western civilization for invading their "holy land." I can't make it any clearer, I don't know why you can't comprehend this at all.

I support the confirmed technical breakdown of how the towers collapsed according to the NIST report. It is the best explanation that has been confirmed by the scientific field. I have always stated that the government covered it's own ass, and that there were several balls dropped on that day and leading up to it. It's not a broad stroke scenario. I, unlike you, am able to see fault in the events that happened on 9/11, and know that even though we dropped the ball that doesn't mean we encouraged, created, or acted out the events on 9/11.

You got it, I don't care. I don't hand wave away anything, I just don't care about it. I dug into it, no matter how boring it was, and I read it all. At the end, I said the same thing I have been saying this whole time, I don't care. I've already stated that just because the government has done bad things in the past does not mean they are automatically the party at fault for 9/11.

Let's put it this way, I am kind of like the NIST. I speak to the technical side of 9/11, I don't care about the political side. That's for you anti-government individuals. It's the same reason why I don't post in the political portion of the boards. If you want to argue the events of 9/11, then let's do it. I will provide the evidence, that you absolutely hand wave away all the time, and we can go back and forth. If you want to discuss politics, do it in the subforum designed for it.

 

Passionately typing something, and frustration are two extremely separate things. I know you guys aren't going to change your minds, I know you're set in the woo. I type with emotion, but I go into this knowing that you guys are who you are. That's why I don't get frustrated, I know this is pointless. It's just good practice for citing sources, giving readers (if there are people that just read here) the proper information, and for the lulz. It's hilarious to watch the hypocrisy, and ignorance that goes on here.

 

thats hysterical that he tries to hide the truth that he is frustrated.He showed that off to everybody that he was frustrated and desperate when he made that DEB WUNKING thread that doesnt address or debunk anything.priceless comedy from him that was.

 

stands up and gives standing ovation.dont forget to include a thread made full full of lies that doesnt address or debunk anything as well.hee hee.now THATS being desperate.

 

Yeah Jango *stands up and ovates*

Don't forget that stuff hehe *emoticon* deb wunkers are teh funny hehe

We all no teh truf, deb wunkers don't hehe we gotz all teh truf factz lolz

*eyeroll*

 

we all see the truth about this. the proof is in the pudding he gets frustrated.again making that DEB WUNKING thread that doesnt debunk ANYTHING in that five minute video or those two 2 hour videos that prove the CIA AND MOSSAD were behind it all,thats getting desperate and frustrated making a thread like that as EVERYBODY here knows.

Ive seen some Octa's get frustrated and desperate before but THAT thread takes the cake as someone VERY frustrated and desperate to get someone to believe them.hee hee.

 

We're becoming frustrated with your inabiity to back your ad nauseam claims that the CIA and MOSSAD were behind it all.

Tedious,lengthy youboob videos aren't proof

 

I try not to become frustrated, I mean in all honesty would you want any of these guys posting on your "side"? I'll pass, the woo crew can keep them.

As far as the rest, I've debunked everything in that video 50 times over. I just haven't wasted the time to put it in a single thread. Everything in it has been wrecked, it's a joke.

 

The debate in this thread exemplifies how the subjectivity and bias of 'truther' effects their analysis of information and evidence. The author of the link provided in the OP as well as some of the posters in this thread use fragments of information and select pieces of evidence that support their positions to inform their conclusions. Instead of objectively analyzing the totality of evidence it appears as though some truthers have choose to accept only the evidence that is congruent with their pre conceived conclusions about obls death.

 

Now I notice the OCTA'S are REALLY getting frustrated.hee hee.I love how they claim that five minute video is lies when they are cornered and know they cant refute it.hee hee.such a typical ploy.

 

It takes a special kind of ego to quote one of your own posts in order to pretend you've accomplished something. Maybe some day you will actually be able to back up the claims you make. In the mean time, your posts get religated to comic relief since they are pure nonsense and you can't even begin to defend them.

 

Which legal standard do you support?

 

Everyone get ready for HFD to get on his soapbox about how the terrorists are treated so unfairly!

 

Comparable to other countries, what techniques we apply, we are advanced but do not habitually cross absolute thresholds as often. Prisoners have died in our care. Some were because they were getting roughed up too much.

Personally, I understand the importance of the acquisition of all forms of intelligence to the stability, health, and future of a nation. So, the usage of torture... if it is required and is absolutely necessary, then I believe for the sake of a nation's physical security, the application of torture is justified.

I say that knowing the implications, and what it does to morality. Nevertheless of the future repercussions torturing someone has on a soul, or the fact that it leaves our boys open to the same or worse, we live in the here and now that needs results, information, data, person, place, and things in order to survive - to compete in the hyper-speed world we live in nowadays where threats, created and alien, are coming in from all directions.