Draw Muhammad Day

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  1. ian

    ian New Member

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    You know, I have a friend who is fat and ugly. Do I call him fat and ugly? Is there a law against calling him fat and ugly? No. Why would I be deliberately offensive, who wins from this? We know Muslim people find caricatures of Muhammed offensive, what exactly is the point behind all this? Just to prove we have the right to do it? If so, how childish.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    What the hell does this have to do with a "free ride"? The government had to inform her that it would not be able to form their most fundamental duty: the protection of the security and rights of its citizens.

    Anyone who criticizes her for excercising free speech while ignoring those that responded to speech with death threats has some serious priority issues.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    If your "friend" responded to any mention of his weight or appearance with threats of violence and people started telling you that you had an obligation to remain silent, then yeah, it might be worth it to do so just to prove that you still have the right and that you have no intention of letting yourself be bullied.
     
  4. ian

    ian New Member

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    Bugger your free speech, you are like bloody parrots you lot, free speech doesnt exist anywhere in the world including the US, there is always legal limitations, in your case you simply have more rights to preach hatred. Thats isnt free speech and neither does it define free speech. Whether or not its to be admired is debatable.
     
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    That is undoubtedly true. The vast majority of Muslims are reasonable and intelligent people who do not expect non-muslims to follow the commands made by a religion that is not their own. However because an extreme minority of irrational lunatics take a different view, non-muslims should acquiesce so as to not cause offense? I say that is a bunch of nonsense.
     
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    AllEvil Active Member Past Donor

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    I'm not talking about offensive images.

    Thats somewhat the point of the day - to demonstrate that drawings of Mohammed can be done with respect, and that there is no need to get up in arms when someone draws a cartoon. It seems many people have missed the point, which is sad.
     
  7. ian

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    But I wouldnt mention it, thats the point because Im already mature enough to realise he will probably be offended so the rest of your scenario doesnt apply. See how simple it is? Just have respect for other people and trouble doesnt happen. One of lifes little lessons for you.
     
  8. ian

    ian New Member

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    But you are, drawings of Muhammed are offensive to Muslims.
    I dont thin we should be telling any religion what they should or should not find offensive, I find that a somewhat arrogant viewpoint.
     
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    This post is rather excellent. The last paragraph has been perfectly exhibited in this thread. Xenophobes use this, and any other excuse, to attack all Muslims, to attack Islam as a whole, and to make demeaning and disgusting generalizations against Billions of people. While I object to death threats over drawings, I also object to xenophobic and racist right wingers using the irrational actions of an extreme minority to demean an entire group of people.
     
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    Yep, a woman who cheats deserves to be killed by her boyfriend/husband. If she hadn't sowed that particular seed, she would never have reaped the consequence. A woman who dresses provocatively, deserves to be raped. If she hadn't sowed that particular seed, she would never have reaped the consequences!! :fart:


    It is absurd and disgusting that the human mind could justify a woman's life being ruined, because she drew a picture. Anyone who believes that is either very stupid, insane, or evil.
     
  11. Albert Di Salvo

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    Free speech takes many forms. One form is political speech which is designed to elicit a reaction. That includes the right to offend.

    No one except the US Supreme Court has the right or power to place limitations on my exercise of the right to speak freely while I stand on American soil. It doesn't matter whose religion is offended by my free speech.

    If Americans cannot speak freely they will cease to be Americans. They will be something else...a lesser people.
     
  12. ian

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    Bogus argument since you do not have the right to totally free speech.
     
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    Really, because what you have just said offends me. You have insinuated that I am immature. I'm immature for drawing a picture, but someone who is willing to murder me for drawing that picture . . . well, you refrain from commenting. Wouldn't want to be insensitive.
     
  14. ian

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    The only thing guaranteed is that this women got what she wanted and is now a martyr for the haters in the US. However, Karma is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) sometimes.
     
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    Did you skip over the part where he said that the Supreme Court can limit his speech?
     
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    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Did you see the part of my post where I mentioned the US Supreme Court as the only authority with the right and power to limit my free speech? I never said "total" as you suggest.
     
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    deliberatly provoking hatred and conflict is immature.
     
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    It's too bad Islam doesn't accept the concept of Karma. Islam could learn much from Buddhism.
     
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    Nevermind that karma of the people who actually threatened her life :no: You know, the ones who actually did something immoral and illegal.
     
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    Maturity is not the issue. Free speech is available to both the mature and the immature. Free speech can be used by the good, the bad and the ugly.
     
  21. ian

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    And? Your argument is bogus, you cant defend the right to free specch when it doesnt exist, all you are defending is the right to be selective about free speech. In other words its your consitutional right to free speech as long as it offends other countries or religions but not when it criticises your own government. Its called hypocrisy.
     
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    You are provoking conflict right now. And if I were a religious extremist, you would also be provoking hatred. Would you stop what you were posting if you knew it was offending and provoking a Christian nutjob? I doubt it.

    Threatening the lives of others just because they offend you is immature, illegal, immoral, etc. Exercising your rights in the face of those that would oppress it is far from immature.

    How can people seriously sit here and citicize her without whispering a word about the people that threatened to kill her?
     
  23. ian

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    Arent they excecising the right to free speech?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Nice straw man you got there.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Death threats are not part of free speech. You know that.
     

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