Yep, threating to murder another person is no more an exercise of "free speech" that human sacrifice is an exercise of "freedom of religion."
Good, Im glad we clarified that. Now if you could kindly provide the names of the people who threatened Molly with murder.
Well its obvious YOU see it as legit free speech. To side with totaltarian murderers mean either you are weak or you advocate destroying those who offend you.
The only specific name I know is that of Anwar al-Awlakim, but the FBI took this and other threats seriously enough to advise her to go into hiding.
Please post your source on this So we are told, but if you are alleging threats of murder you are going to have to be a little more specific. Post your sources or Im going to start calling bs.
Please show where I have sided with any murderers, bearing in mind we dont yet have any evidence of murder threats let alone murders.
I don't see why those in favor of free speech say that this day shouldn't be allowed. The first amendment and freedom of speech in general is useless if it does not protect even the most unpopular speech.
No. Please read the OP thoroughly, as you have obviously missed the entire point. I respect genuine requests. I spit in the face of those who threaten me or you or our freedom.
Ian, I respectfully request that you do not draw any pictures of the holy trinity, that is god the father, Jesus the son, and the holy spirit, as well as the virgin Mary. I find them extremely offensive. Somehow, I have a feeling you won't be inclined to acquiesce to my request. So why would you bend over for a bunch of religious freaks from another country making death threats?
So a religion can demand people who aren't of the same country, nor of the same faith, to do what they want?' Well (*)(*)(*)(*) me, I've been going about this all wrong. All I have to do is join a religion and make demands and people will start doing what I say. Good bleating, sheep.
Maybe we should get a bunch of pagans together and tell the muslims they have to accept karma into their ways? Afterall, paganism is a religion, he's implying that religious demands ought to be met, so there we go.
Of course I would, why I would I deliberatley do something which offends your beliefs, what would that prove? Thats not my argument, my point is that why would we knowingly do something which causes offence unless the purpose is to endenger hatred which in my opinion was exactly the purpose in this case. Im pretty sure we can all get through our daily lives without making sure that caricatures of Muhammed are published on a daily basis, its not as if refraining from doing so actually detracts from our lifestyle now does it? I think Ive managed to live all my life without ever waking up in the morning and urgently feeling the need to draw a caricature of Muhammed and to make sure its published in public, what about you?
I prefer to think that we should be civilised and mature enough to try not to deliberatley offend other cultures or religions simply because we can.
Well, I don't believe you, but even if I did it just makes you a coward. However, if you're comfortable bending over for anyone who tells you to, you're more than welcome to live your life that way. I will not. So I stopped reading the rest.
Again, you've missed the entire point. Has nothing to do with deliberately offending a culture or religion. Has to do with telling terrorists to shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
So then you would never advocate for abortion, gay marriage, condoms, or any other thing that would cause offense to a Christian, is that correct? I don't care about offending people, if those people get offended over stupid things. I can not spend my life hoping to avoid causing offense to the most touchy people across the globe. If I called some one fat(your example), that is a personal attack on their appearance. That is not comparable to drawing a picture of a historical figure(which is all Muhammad is to non-Muslims). If we need to tread lightly to avoid causing offense to religious nuts of different assortments, that makes us cowardly and silly not mature. I prefer honesty and integrity to acquiescing to the insane. If you prefer the latter, ok, but do not pretend that your position is somehow mature, dignified, or thoughtful because it isn't. It is simply silly.
Ah, there we have it. When confronted with adult logic the response is "all Muslims are terrorists". Thats the problem with you people, not only cant you distinguish between kindness and weakness you cant do anythign except repeat right wing mantras like this. And there is no dispute the caricatures were published in prder to deliberatly provoke offense, no dispute at all.
Dont be facile, all those things are culturally acceptable to discuss and even advocate for. And its a stretch to say that refraining from drawing and publishing caricatures of Muhammed is somehow limiting to your behaviour and difficult to adhere to. Thats one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. Your position is noithing more than childish petulance at being told you shouldnt do something even though the thought never sprang into your head previously.
conflict avoidance and resolution is not cowardice, when you grow up you might realise that. Or what? Hold your breath till you turn blue? Of course you did, you performed exactly to my expectations.
I am not being told not to do anything. I have no interest in drawing a picture of Muhammad. Just like I have no interest in being gay married, nor in having an abortion(as a straight man neither interest me much), and even so I support peoples ability to do those things without the threat of violence in response to their actions. And if people do threaten violence against them, or even worse commit acts of violence against them, I condemn the people committing the acts of violence, not the people having the abortions, getting married, or drawing pictures. By your standards it is not abortion clinic bombers who are the problem, it is all those skanky women offending Christians and having the abortions in the first place!!
Do you have a list of what other right that we have that should be struct so it would appease the muslim? Should we go without eating pork? Dancing with the opposite sex? Drinking a beer? Smoking? Having sex without marrying first? Being a member of a religion other than the abrahamic one? PLease, tell us how we should live our life, oh great one... Because if the only thing that matter to you is not to offend another group then here is my small list of offense that the muslim are commiting that offends me greatly: Women abuses Child abuse Terrorism Bad hygiene Dress code Halal way of killing animal which is cruel and make the animal suffer (they bleed them to death). Praying 5 time a day on the company clock. Getthoisation of neighborhood Unable to adapt to the local culture Attempt to have the sharia enabled etc...etc...
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) strawman argument. I never, EVER, EVER said all muslims are terrorists, and if you deliberately misquote me like that again I will report you.
Strawman. No, if you stayed focused you know the topic is about drawing muhammad. Oh, you're one of those.
