Durham Grand Jury Indicts Clinton-Linked Attorney Involved in Russia Probe

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  1. Bluesguy

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    They were hoping for some true stuff but perfectly happy fabricating things so they could get an FBI investigation going that they could then use their friends in the MSM to report in order to influence the campaign.

    "The executive ordered his employees to “search and analyze their holdings of public and non public internet data for derogatory information on Trump.” He also enlisted researchers at an unidentified U.S. university. The goal of the searches, says the indictment, was to “support an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ regarding Trump that would please certain ‘VIPs.’”"

    "The seraches turned up nothing but the executive gave it to Sussman who turned the innuendo into the white paper he gave to the FBI. This was leaked and the media was reporting that the FBI was investigating Trump."

    "The narrow Sussmann indictment opens another the window on a far greater offense, which was the Clinton team and the media’s dirty trick against U.S. democracy. The indictment alleges that Mr. Elias kept Clinton campaign officials informed about the scam, including the “campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor.”"

    And they were using the access to confidential government records to search for dirt against an opposition political candidate. Sussman then used his contact at the FBI to feed it to them, then they leaked to the press that the FBI was opening and investigation into Trump for being some Russian spy and colluding with Russia KNOWING it was a false story.

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    You asked me if he was indicted for something for which he was not nor had claimed. You didn't know for what he was indicted and had to ask?
     
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    Have you read the 27 pages of this one count indictment. I think as federal prosecutors I have been reading Durham was hinting that he has lots he's working on.

    For instance as the indictment indicates this Tech-1 was using his companies access to non-public government confidential information, access they use for their government cyber-security business, to try to get access to Trump derogatory information as he was discussing with Sussman who was reporting to his bosses at the Clinton campaign, there could be lots of people in serious trouble. Researchers were voicing concerns about using all that time and access to DNS addressing looking for derogatory stuff about Trump but told that Tech-1 was such a power guy at two companies not to worry about it just do it.
     
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    You didn't know for what he was indicted and had to ask?
     
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    He was indicted for a single narrow charge for which the statute of limitations was about to run out, read the indictment about what is to come and who may be involved.
     
  6. Hey Now

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    Let's all face it, the Durham investigation was a pure and simple flop. It was political cover and cheap damage control.
     
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    Hey... almost 2.5 years... 2 indictments.... 2 men nobody has ever heard of...

    I'd counterargue greatest success in the history of DC investigations....

    /s
     
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    Obviously my point was you’re focusing on aspects that don’t even seem to be illegal, since nobody was charged with them
     
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    Once you start pulling on the thread, you have no idea where it will stop.
    Clinton Lawyer's Indictment Reveals 'Bag of Tricks'

    Jonathan Turley, The Hill

    The 26-page indictment of former cybersecurity attorney and Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann by special counsel John Durham is as detailed as it is damning on the alleged effort to push a false Russia collusion claim before the 2016 presidential campaign. One line, however, seems to reverberate for those of us who have followed this scandal for years now: “You do realize that we will have to expose every trick we have in our bag.”

    That warning from an unnamed “university researcher” captures the most fascinating aspect of the indictment in describing a type of Nixonian dirty tricks operation run by — or at least billed to — the Clinton campaign. With Nixon, his personal attorney and the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP) paid for operatives to engage in disruptive and ultimately criminal conduct targeting his opponents. With Clinton, the indictment and prior disclosures suggest that Clinton campaign lawyers at the law firm of Perkins Coie helped organize an effort to spread Russia collusion stories and trigger an investigation. . . .
     
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    Is the even such a thing as lawyers pleading not guilty?
    Sussman worked as cut-out for Hillary Clinton and the Hillary campaign to plant a (actually, plant another) anti Trump story to the FBI. Then the Hillary Campaign leaked the story to the media saying that “There must be something there because the FBI is investigating it.”
    Do I expect justice? No, that ship has sailed.
    But I expect the whole sordid truth of using the FBI, FISA, the Clinton Campaign, and a willing news media to destroy a president for political reasons is a story that should be told. It was a masterful deception and was successful in installing a demented president who is determined to change the political and demographic character of America forever.

    In addition, I hope it will debunk the lies so many anti Trump people have invested their reputations on. Sadly, so many are so deeply affected they will not be able to admit they are wrong, let along misled by the media we all once depended on for truth.
     
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    Hillary Operative Indicted In Russia Collusion Hoax. It's more than we got in the Hillary Email Espionage Plot

    THE SUSSMAN PROSECUTION

    Valuable Addition To The Historical Record
    An attack on the Presidency by Crooked Hillary, Crooked Lawyers at Perkins Coie, Fusion GPS, FBI and CIA Dirt Bags and the Fake News NYT and WaPo.
    They never do and absent long prison sentences, they never will.
     
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    I was focused on the indictment and what it says, you should read it so you don't have to ask. And there is LOTS in it that may lead to further indictments, this one charge had ONE DAY left to issue the indictment.

    And your going on record saying this is the end of it?
     
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    Keep the hope alive. I will make a prediction right now, there will be no further indictments from the Durham Grand Jury.
     
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    Nah they may get someone else for a process crime. Although I don’t much care. Anyone who broke the law should be charged.
     
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    Has he closed the office? Did I miss that? Did you miss the fact that this ONE charge had to be issued else the statute of limitations would run out the next day? That the one charge could have been listed in one paragraph but the OSP used it to give a heads up as to what is they are pursuing? Have you even read the indictment and what was going on and who was involved?

    Just from the indictment we know that the Clinton campaign and the DNC were engaged in a plot to use lies and phony innuendo and the FBI and DOJ along with a compliant MSM to first deny Trump the election and then to sabotage his presidency to try to get him removed from office and put the country through the 2 year phony Mueller investigation.

    You're actually OK with what happened?
     
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    Gotcha...........and that you are OK with politicizing the DOJ and intelligence agencies and phony documents fed to them and the MSM to win elections and destroy your political opposition.
     
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    See post #163, feel free to lay out your prediction. I have.
     
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    Well, now you jump to the strawman, I bolded it for you. Fully expected.
     
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    I did and said.....................gothca..........................I'll even add a :thumbsup:................you choose to go on record with that prediction. You haven't been around here very long to see how many such predictions went down in flames.

    I predict his office will not be closing on Monday. Other than that I don't make such predictions. I'll discuss what we know, the facts as laid out in the indictment which indicates LOTS of wrongdoings. I don't predict grand juries not seeing everything they see.
     
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    What's the strawman? Do you know what is a strawman?

    politicizing the DOJ and intelligence agencies and phony documents fed to them and the MSM to win elections and destroy your political opposition.

    That's in the indictment yet your are not only hoping but predicting there will be no indictments coming forward and no wronging doing. In case you are not familiar with what is in the indictment. Former US Attorney Andrew McCarthy, who prosecuted and won conviction of the first WTT attack, explains it much more in the link.

    "It is unusual for a one-count false-statement charge, which can be alleged in a paragraph, to be presented as a 27-page speaking indictment. But Durham wrote a highly detailed account of the facts and circumstances surrounding the false-statements charge. It is significant in that it tells us far more about his investigation.

    Here is where the prosecutor appears to be going: The Trump–Russia collusion narrative was essentially a fabrication of the Clinton campaign that was peddled to the FBI (among other government agencies) and to the media by agents of the Clinton campaign — particularly, its lawyers at Perkins Coie — who concealed the fact that they were quite intentionally working on the campaign’s behalf, and that they did not actually believe there was much, if anything, to the collusion narrative. It was serviceable as political dirt but would not amount to anything real for criminal or national-security purposes.

    In a nutshell, then, people closely connected to the Clinton campaign use privileged access to nonpublic information for political purposes. They concoct it into a political narrative that they know is baseless but can be convincingly spun to suggest Trump is in cahoots with Putin. They then simultaneously peddle that story line to the media and the FBI — the latter of which opens an investigation of Trump because the Clinton team, in this instance Sussmann, misrepresents its intentions. Sussmann was supposedly bringing this alarming “evidence” to the FBI not for political purposes but because he and his associates were well-meaning citizens concerned about national security. Naturally in this cozy world, Sussmann is a former Department of Justice cybersecurity official who traded on his long-standing professional relationship with Baker, the Bureau’s lawyer.

    The indictment details that researchers at Tech Executive-1’s companies were very uncomfortable being tasked to run extensive queries about Trump and his campaign in their databases, but they did it because Tech Executive-1 was a powerful person. The researchers also highlighted significant weaknesses in the Trump–Russia narrative that they were being asked to weave, to the point that even Tech Executive-1 acknowledged it was a “red herring.” But because the objective was to craft a political theme that would damage Trump, rather than to prove an actual national-security peril, this information was kept from the government.

    Meantime, having orchestrated the creation of all this smoke, the Clinton campaign exploits it to tell the media and the American people, “See, Trump is a Kremlin mole!”

    I suddenly think the eventual Durham report could be very interesting reading.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021...ctment-of-democratic-lawyer-michael-sussmann/
     
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    Beyond process crimes do you want to go on record saying there is nothing more? And even if not criminal do you want to go on record saying there was nothing ethically wrong with what the Clinton Campaign, the DNC, officials at the White House and DOJ and FBI engaged in as described in #170?
     
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    Oh, you do know, it was clearly bolded in your text that I quoted. Nice strawman framing but still a flail regardless.
     
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    Am I the only one who gets that feeling that this clown will commit suicide with two rounds to the back of the head?
     
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    Nah team trump had tons of fishy russia contacts. I’m glad they alerted the fbi, as is their patriotic duty.
     
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    It's against the law to know Russians?

    But got gotcha on the it's OK for the political party in power and their campaign to weaponize the intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies for their political benefit and with doing so you have no ground to stand on complaining about Trump. What the Clinton campaign and DNC did was probably the worst election scandal in the history of the country.
     

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