Durham testifies that the FBI ignored Hillary Clinton plan to link Trump to Russia

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  1. popscott

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    @Natty Bumpo


    The New York Times Article is an outright lie... but you didn't do your homework did you?

    We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election,” said acting Senate Intelligence Chairman Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, who took over the panel when Burr stepped aside earlier this year amid an FBI investigation into his stock trades.

    Let the leader of this GOP panel tell you so you don't become confused by a NYT interpretation..

    https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public...lease-of-volume-5-of-bipartisan-russia-report


    The New York Times Article is an outright lie... but you didn't do your homework did you?

    We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election,” said acting Senate Intelligence Chairman Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, who took over the panel when Burr stepped aside earlier this year amid an FBI investigation into his stock trades.

    Let the leader of this GOP panel tell you so you don't become confused by a NYT interpretation..

    https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public...lease-of-volume-5-of-bipartisan-russia-report

     
  2. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I have never suggested it, but it was never proven that Trump actively conspired with Putin when Putin interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to help Trump and hurt Clinton, despite Trump senior advise Steve Bannon voicing his concerns:

    ... Bannon... is particularly scathing about a June 2016 meeting involving Trump’s son Donald Jr, son-in-law Jared Kushner, then campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at Trump Tower in New York. A trusted intermediary had promised documents that would “incriminate” rival Hillary Clinton but instead of alerting the FBI to a potential assault on American democracy by a foreign power, Trump Jr replied in an email: “I love it.”

    ... Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers.

    “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad sh¡t, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

    Bannon went on... to say that if any such meeting had to take place, it should have been set up “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people”. Any information, he said, could then be “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

    Bannon added: “You never see it, you never know it, because you don’t need to … But that’s the brain trust that they had.”

    [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff]




     
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  3. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we ALL already knew this but its nice to know it now has been 100% VALIDATED
     
  4. popscott

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    Planting a Russian lawyer to trip up the meeting could be very questionable. She and Fusion’s Glenn Simpson met the day before and and the day after…. And in two different cities… I don’t believe in coincidences like that….

    Nope… that Trump and the Russian GOVERNMENT has no ties.. you can stop reading now.
     
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    But you do not answer my points.
    1) That Trump has never faced, and no one is calling for him to face, any prosecution for any ties to Russia. That makes your argument, a straw man.

    2) That the Right continues to hold that Hillary Clinton is guilty of criminal offenses, though there has been even more fruitless investigation into her, than into Trump. Double standard, much?
     
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    Very simple. Defeat conservative/ GOP ever occupy White House again. Unfortunately we have to wait another 16 years before such outcome can be guaranteed. Until then we just have to try our best to vote out as many republican as we can from any public office.
     
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    There is nothing GOP can do about it. Joe Biden is POTUS. He will use FBI again to defeat anyone on the right in 2024. Only think GOP can do is go to Fox news and complain about DOJ or FBI.
     
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    The world moved on. No one cares any more. Trump , Russia, Russia interfering with election, those are old story.
     
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    Flag this post. We may want to refer to it in the future. And yes, the FBI does think that it has escaped the bounds of accountability to the American People and therefore is an illegitimate force for evil operating outside the consent of We The People.
     
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    Yes Flag the post. That’s all GOP can do about it. Joe Biden is the POTUS now , and he will be POTUS in 2025 and nothing, I mean Nothing GOP can do about it.
     
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    That's what I don't get. They get sent on an illegal swat and come up empty. But instead of going after the swatter, they go home. This suggests that they are part of the swat.
     
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    The "silly made up story" fooled the FBI who started a full scale investigation didn't it? Not! The FBI went along with the ruse because they wanted Hillary to beat Trump.
     
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    Your contempt for American law enforcement, whether the outnumbered police savagely attacked by Trump goons at the Capitol, or the public servants who recovered the vital national security documents about which he had lied and failed to turn over, is a symptom of fanatical devotion to the Cry Baby Loser, too self-deluded and morally feeble to accept the will of the American electorate.

    Try to ween yourself off the pathetic egomaniac whom patriot Marine Corps General John Kelly, after observing him closely, called ‘the most flawed person’ he’s ever met.

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    Fake news. I don't support the corrupt election fixing FBI because they are an embarrassment to law enforcement.
     
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    I am laughing that the left is trying to rehash the Russiagate..... Russia, Russia, Russia....

    And no @Lucifer..... I am pretty sure your head is not in the sand at all.... your head is in..... errrr.... ummmm... wellll.... let me show you..

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    @Natty Bumpo

    The Russian lawyer and Fusion’s Glenn Simpson met the day before and and the day after…. And in two different cities… Where is the DOJ investigation into that?


    Why do you always run back to the fake guardian or fake CNN or fake WaPo ... Can you not show actual people saying the words.... CNN tells you to tell us what they said... no video or actual documentation ..... just regurgitation...

    ""Simpson also testified that he had dinner with Veselnitskaya the night before the meeting and the night after. In two different cities... What are the odds of that?""
    all documented
    page 117 Simpson transcript
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Simpson Transcript_redacted.pdf

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    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Simpson Transcript_redacted.pdf

    page 114

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    Nope, only illegal if you'r trying to get dirt on an opponent, considered "of value"

    ''The Federal Election Campaign Act, enshrined in the federal code, prohibits foreign nationals, either “directly or indirectly” from making “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” to a campaign. It also makes it illegal for a person to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national.''


    Mueller... did not pursue charges against members of the Trump team at the meeting in part because the investigation did not find evidence that they acted with “general knowledge of the illegality of their conduct.”

    The report noted that the prosecution has to establish a defendant knew their conduct was illegal to charge an individual. Mueller found that “the investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban.”
     
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    Yet Jr, Jarrod, Manafort, ETC still wanted to meet and "get dirt" on Hillary from her. Go figure!
     
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    Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research by Firm That Later Produced Dossier

    The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website funded by a major Republican donor, first hired the research firm that months later produced for Democrats the salacious dossier describing ties between Donald J. Trump and the Russian government, the website said on Friday.

    The Free Beacon, funded in large part by the New York hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, hired the firm, Fusion GPS, in 2015 to unearth damaging information about several Republican presidential candidates, including Mr. Trump. But The Free Beacon told the firm to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html

     
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    LOL-- complete bullshit. Durham has acknowledged that there was cause to open an investigation. He only differs in thinking that it should have just been a preliminary investigation, as opposed to a full one.

    First off, the IG for the Bureau has said that this would have made no difference. Secondly, "Bull" Durham disagrees with the FBI's overall evaluation, of the totality of evidence? So what? In his excerpts, that I've heard, from the hearing, he sounds like a G.D. idiot!
     
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    The Free Beacon, funded in large part by the New York hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, hired the firm, Fusion GPS, in 2015 to unearth damaging information about several Republican presidential candidates, including Mr. Trump. But The Free Beacon told the firm to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html
     
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    Oh, that lame ass argument?...lol

    How do you place a value on information? Seems the 1st Amendment would prohibit that.
     
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    Yes Rubio would never lie right?

    G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia
    A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

    It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.


    Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government — a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was “no collusion.”


    But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin — including a longstanding associate of the onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom the report identified as a “Russian intelligence officer.”

    Democrats highlighted Mr. Kilimnik’s potential ties to the interference operations in their own appendix to the report, noting that Mr. Manafort discussed campaign strategy and shared internal campaign polling data with the Russian and later lied to federal investigators about his actions.

    “This is what collusion looks like,” Democrats wrote.

    Their assertion was a sign that even though the investigation was carried out in bipartisan fashion, and Republican and Democratic senators reached broad agreement on its most significant conclusions, a partisan divide remained on some of the most politically delicate issues.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
     
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    Still pushing Russia collusion? And you call Conservatives "cultists"?...lol
     
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    @Natty Bumpo

    2017

    The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya occurred during a critical period. At that time, Fox News has learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts.

    Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fu...-operative-before-and-after-trump-jr-sit-down

    https://archive.org/details/FusionGPSBankRecordsCourtOrder

    And here are those unsealed bank records...
    UNSEALED: Fusion GPS Bank Records Show Russia-Related Payments
    The records show that Fusion was also paid $523,651 by the law firm BakerHostetler between March 7, 2016 and Oct. 31, 2016.
    https://dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/unsealed-fusion-gps-bank-records-show-russia-related-payments/

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