Durham testifies that the FBI ignored Hillary Clinton plan to link Trump to Russia

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Trump obstructed his on DoJ investigation by Mueller. He should have been impeached and tossed from office for that
     
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    I'm sure R/W SCOTUS is working on it with Cit United

    But foreign Gov't AND non citizens can't help, despite Cheeto's claims otherwise

    https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/
     
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    So..... We get to read the Mueller report that was obstructed????

    No indictments or charges of the Trump campaign for Russian GOVERNMENT collusion to affect the 2016 election by Mueller.... so exactly what was he obstructing?
     
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    Interesting...
    "Get dirt" on Hillary has been used from the start...

    Please explain what the "dirt" was they had on Hillary...
     
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    You'd have to ask Jr what he expected from Putin
     
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    No, the DoJ investigation was obstructed. The Mueller report had a second section outlining the nature and extent of the obstruction.

    This should be considered a serious offense. If Congress can't compel an investigation of the executive branch, it is unable to effectively serve as a check on the Presidency. It follows that the President must not obstruct an investigation. Trump did.

    Congress is the ultimate power in our government as it is the only branch that cannot be effectively dissolved and replaced. The President can be impeached and Supreme Court Justices can be removed, or the Court can be filled with new members selected by Congress. Maybe we should pay more attention to the choices we make for Representatives and Senators.

    This woman doesn't belong in Congress.

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    Nor does this guy.

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    What are we thinking? Would you hire these people if you wanted to get something done?
    He obstructed the Mueller investigation. Read Part Two of the Mueller report. It concluded:

    "Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President?s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President?s actions and intent presents dif?cult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had con?dence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

    It's right in front of your face that Trump obstructed his DoJ's preemptive independent investigation into Trump's activities.

    Republicans aren't fit to govern if they support Trump based on an end-justifies-means argument.
     
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    If you get a chance to watch Durham’s testimony note that he danced around on his claims—you know, the nonsense report claims: Clinton crap. He was under oath. Also, his lack of knowledge of the Mueller report was curious.
     
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    We all saw Trump obstruct. He did so openly. He doesn't deserve a "pass" for his behavior.
     
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    Interesting...

    show us Trump openly obstructed anything...
     
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    Nope.....I am asking YOU ...Please explain what the "dirt" was they had on Hillary in your post...

    "Yet Jr, Jarrod, Manafort, ETC still wanted to meet and "get dirt" on Hillary from her. Go figure!""
     
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    Read the Mueller report.
     
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    So why is Trump not in jail for it… 3 years is plenty of time to do it…
    And just to show your gullibility on this…. How can I read a report that was obstructed… and how can Trump obstruct a non crime… Read the Mueller report.
     
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    Because the Democrats would rather have Trump as an issue.
    The Mueller investigation was obstructed.
    You can obstruct an investigation of a possible crime. Trump did.
     
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    The DOJ was trying to overthrow a duly elected president in a failed coup and insurrection. They should all investigated and prosecuted... including, Obama. Biden and Hillary...
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf

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    You folks haven't backed up your conspiracy theories. Your finger-pointing is getting tiresome.

    Obama was President in 2016, so it's hardly surprising the DoJ leaned left. When Trump became President, he controlled the DoJ and could have handled the Mueller investigation differently. Trump overstepped when he obstructed his own DoJ investigation.

    If you win in 2024, you can prosecute anyone you like. Maybe you can pass a national law banning abortion, then see if states like California and New York help enforce federal law.
    I don't think they'll be prosecuted for anything until you get the White House back.

    Nominate YouKnowWho and I don't think you're going to win.
     
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    @LangleyMan

    Trump DID NOT obstruct a crime... so what did he obstruct, a non-crime? You keep avoiding that question.
     
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    The FBI ignored the truth?

    I thought you guys liked it when the FBI ignored real criminals?
     
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    Trump obstructed an investigation and that is a crime. Congress must have the power to force an independent investigation, and proof of a crime is not necessary to conduct an investigation.

    In that regard, enough questions have been raised about some of the claims about Trump that we should investigate those matters, likely at the same time.
     
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    He can't obstruct an investigation that we can all read..
    Please tell us what crime he was obstructing?
     
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    Sorry, but Cheeto Jr, Manafort, Jarod, etc aren't exactly spilling the secrects of what type of dirt they were looking for, maybe Cheeto will tell you?
     
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    Yep... so you have nothing... just more cheap talk..
     
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    Nah, I don't think Jarod's that cheap, Saudi had to pay him $2 billion, Cheeto were not sure of but pretty sure it's hundreds of millions for his golf courses, Jr? He does it for the coke, some people say :)
     
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    Interesting...
    Tell us what you don't know about the Jarod deal...
     
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    I don't know why Saudi did it, do you?


    Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts

    Before committing $2 billion to Mr. Kushner’s fledgling firm, officials at a fund led by the Saudi crown prince questioned taking such a big risk.

    Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal.

    A panel that screens investments for the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund cited concerns about the proposed deal with Mr. Kushner’s newly formed private equity firm, Affinity Partners, previously undisclosed documents show.

    Those objections included: “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; the possibility that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk”; due diligence on the fledgling firm’s operations that found them “unsatisfactory in all aspects”; a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”; and “public relations risks” from Mr. Kushner’s prior role as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, former President Donald J. Trump, according to minutes of the panel’s meeting last June 30.

    But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel.

    Ethics experts say that such a deal creates the appearance of potential payback for Mr. Kushner’s actions in the White House — or of a bid for future favor if Mr. Trump seeks and wins another presidential term in 2024.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

    NO PAYWALL

    https://archive.ph/zc7W9
     
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    @JonK22

    Oh my... so is Jarod in jail? Do you have a copy of the minutes of the panel’s meeting last June 30 we could look at?. Typical NYT vague accusations with not one bit of proof..
     

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