Education that every child needs

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  1. Bowerbird

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    But research shows education is not as effective as keeping the guns away from kids

    https://publications.aap.org/pediat.../An-Evaluation-of-Two-Procedures-for-Training

    https://publications.aap.org/pediat...g-Is-Believing-What-Do-Boys-Do-When-They-Find


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...C5YVQgfoyrQwElNyJSQ3fhmpTYYAC_tXYJTO39_sQQJXQ
     
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    Its sad we have come to a point where that is necessary for the government to get involved in teaching kids about guns. I am not totally against it thought, and I think target shooting could even be an optional PE class.

    I think you missed the point. Racism/slavery and LGBT are also a reality, but talking about it is being criminalized.
     
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    I believe we also need to start shooting competitions back up in schools. Some still have them but they’re not a prevalent as they used to be. I believe if you teach someone to respect guns and to be proficient with them they can also know how to stop them..
     
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    I have been following the AAP research and position papers on children and gun violence for years. They looked at the research and found that education did not prevent potential mishandling of guns if the child was unsupervised.
     
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    Pity that does not align with cognitive development in children and if course we now have the issue of ADHD. Can you imagine what that would be like?
     
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    Grooming... Just saying....
     
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    Unfortunately, the people who fear and hate guns look at them like a rattlesnake they ran across by accident. They fear it's stalking them, and only exists to kill them. Not true of course.
    The rattlesnake on the other hand has every right to believe that such people endanger its life and will kill him if they can.
    Unfortunately, it's very difficult to educate people out of their obsessions when fear is involved.
     
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    Yeah, the explanations actually made a lot of sense; seemed to ring true, to the point of being even obvious, once pointed out. The reckless streak in teens, encouraged by their peers; the fascination with guns, that is so often seen, in young boys; and just the common knowledge, that young kids, overall, are not the best at adhering to rules.
     
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    Teach kids to be responsible in case adults are not? A firearm should never be found “laying around”.
     
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    I call it training. Training to use a constitutional right with responsibility is not grooming
     
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    I did read about a surge in ADHD diagnoses. Interesting and concerning for sure
     
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    It makes sense. We need to teach children about the things that could affect their lives.
     
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    It doesn't matter how much more effective you think it is, if it is effective at all it is worth doing.

    I thought Shirley the idea of teaching children too identify a gun and tell adults if other kids are playing with them would be something that no one could conceivably be against.

    But evidently I was wrong and there are people against education
     
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    How could it possibly not help to teach children what to beware of?

    I didn't know you'd be all anti-education
     
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    I'd be perfectly fine teaching kids in school that owning a gun puts you at higher risk of dying through a gun-related incident compared to not owning a gun. My guess: You'd object to that.
     
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    False dichotomy. You could do both.
     
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    As long as you also are okay with teaching in that owning a swimming pool increases your risk of drowning and riding in a vehicle increases your chances of getting in a crash and going outdoors increases your chances of being struck by lightning.
     
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    You know- we have many such things today, that basically didn't exist when I was a kid. It just kind of popped up, like a new group of diseases. They call it a "neurobehavioral disorder" of children.
    We knew it as a bad attitude, and the source of it was consistently the poor quality of parental examples and discipline. Kind of like the "Garbage in, garbage out" principle in computing.

    Of course, bad behavior among kids is something normal if they have poor or no structure. But back then, we understood that this was lack of self-discipline and respect for themselves and others, abilities you must learn- but were never taught. Proper discipline by the adults such as teachers corrected most of it, because most of it was not due to legitimate mental defect, but to social attitudes and insecurities.
    Today, teachers are not allowed to put that in place, so the kids fail to learn those things in school as well.

    This started when some child psychologists or pediatricians with a need to publish and enhance themselves decided that these things were medical problems that should be treated with tolerance and drugs rather than discipline and guidance. Of course, using discipline and guidance requires quite a bit of parental time, work, and skill, whereas drugging your kid does not. The easy way, as usual- becomes the preferred choice. Ritilyn seemed the answer of choice.

    Now we have a rapidly increasing number of adults who have neither the inclination nor the ability to self-regulate, and we have the average conduct of the newer generations often resembling that of adolescents with an attitude. We see drug use killing over 100K people a year.... and rejection of responsibility for anything a common trait.
    Yet, many people see no connection between the changes in parenting, social structure and educational disciplines and that condition.

    It's hard to recognize your own problems and the way you have created them. Humans are always a work in progress- but we aren't progressing now, we are sliding down a slippery slope, backwards.
    Few in positions of leadership have the courage to confront that, and if they do.... the increasingly weak population doesn't want to hear it. Just like adolescent kids.

    There is no substitute for growing up in a sound environment with strong role models. It's taken time for the over-liberal ideology to degrade that in society- and it will take time to rebuild it, but unless attitudes and responsibility improve, it's not going to be rebuilt.
     

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