"Efforts underway to change the GOP on same sex marriage"

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Every court decision creating gay marriage has insisted the government do so. .
     
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    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Removing a restriction against a group, is not the same as discriminating against that group. It's the opposite.




     
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    And what sickens me and others to no end is to see the majority usurping the Fourteenth Amendment. If they did not do that there would not be any arguments going on because LGBT citizens would have the SAME basic rights as all others do.

    And the reason the Federal Courts are ruling as they are is due to seeing the vast discrimination taking place against Gays and Lesbians that the courts need to rectify for parity. After all, those affected have every right to go and argue before the courts to receive what they are already entitled to that isn't being given to them. What could be more fair?

    As for the courts not promoting mothers and fathers to provide care for their kids, etc. the courts are not involved in doing that because they already know Straight parents have that right. It is extending that same right to same-sex couples that's all. And homosexuals are not stopping Heterosexuals, in any way, shape, or form from continuing to care for their children so that is not a good comparison with what is happening at all. We are looking at two very separate issues here.
     
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    That's because the majority, acting like they had sole power over the lives of Gays and Lesbians have been doing wrong in trying to dictate their lives and what they can and cannot do. And it is not asking the government to license or regulate. It is asking them to bring parity into the lives of those affected who are having hard times because of the unfairness of the situation. Many are not able to claim their spouse's Social Security, or have hospital visitation rights, or be able to co-sign important household papers, etc. or have other rights afforded to Heterosexual couples. As American citizens that they are they should not be blamed for asking for those Same rights. They are fully entitled to them NOW.
     
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    Correct it is discrimination FOR that group, not against. It is discrimination against all those still excluded from marriage.​
     
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    Removing a distinction is not discrimination.




     
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    Marriages limitation to men and women has nothing to do with dictating the lives of gays and lesbians. 50 years ago it was illegal in most states for a man to live with an unrelated woman without being married. Two gay guys were free to live together.
     
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    LGBT citizens have the same right. You wont find any entitlement or statute that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation. You wont find any marriage laws that even mention sexual orientation.
     
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    Not a single decision has done so, lol

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    It isn't. It is less discrimination for same sex couples.

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    Marriage isn't limited to men and women, and it isn't 50 years ago.

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    Except for all the state bans on same sex marriage.

    Every state ban on same sex marriage was specifically enacted to discriminate against homosexual couples.
     
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    Thought I just did.
     
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    For a better perspective on what was being said, here is what your original reply was. And I took your answer to indicate that the LGBT community was complaining and impatient thus, why I replied as I did. Or did you mean to make reference to the Heterosexual community?

     
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    "Efforts underway to change the GOP on same sex marriage"

    Seems kind of unneccessary with one after another Federal courts imposing gay marriage upon the states. They dont need votes when its the courts mandating gay marriage.
    ON THE OTHER HAND if the Supreme Court comes to its senses and overturns all these lower federal cout decisions, THEN they will need Republicans votes. Probably a much harder sell without the constant propaganda of court decisions declaring traditional marriage to be a violation of the US Constitution. I suspect the shift in popular opinion is primarily due to those decisions.
     
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    It's astounding that you continue to post obvious lies even when called on the repeatedly. Not a single court has declared "traditional" marriage unconstitutional. Over 20 federal courts have declared bans on same sex marriage unconstitutional.
     
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    In real life, polygamy occurs almost exclusively in highly religious, socially conservative societies dominated and controlled by men. These type of societies never endorse same-sex marriage and, more often than not, punish people (sometimes capitally) just for being gay.
     
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    You have to love the Orwellian doublethink. Giving gays equal rights is "interfering with their rights"

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    61% of young Republicans support gay marriage rights, dixon.

    The future isn't going to be pretty...for you.
     
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    Probably only if it is the gays demanding it. Some judge will declare a right for gays to polygamy, and then when states enact statutes or constitutional amendments limiting marriage to just two people, later courts can allege these statutes and amendments are intended to discriminate against homosexuals.
     
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    When its courts dictating gay marriage, the opinions of the people are irrelevant.
     
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    "Traditional marriage" is marriage limited to men and women. Every court creating gay marriage has done so.
     
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    That would depends upon your definition of "traditional". While monogamous, heterosexual marriages have been the norm in most of western civilization for thousands of years (Since the days of Ancient Rome), that concept was virtually nonexistent everywhere else in the world (Yes, even in the Americas).
     
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    The only thing that stays the same is death and taxes my friend.
     
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    ???? Yes, OF COURSE cultures that had no tradition of marriage, wouldnt have none of the limitations of marriage either.
     
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    Most cultures that have ever existed have had some institution by which interperson relationships are recognized.
     
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    Not a single court has done so. That is a proven lie.

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    It isn't the courts, it's the constitution. The constitution precludes discrimination without a justification. You have none for banning sake sex couples, that's why you keep losing in court.
     

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