"Efforts underway to change the GOP on same sex marriage"

Efforts underway to change the GOP on same sex marriage
http://us.cnn.com/2014/09/20/politics/gop-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Republicans are the last group as a whole to get on the bandwagon of Gay and Lesbian rights. They have fought tooth and nail against and resisted the movement to give LGBT citizens in the states the right to marry whom they love and to recognize that these citizens contribute much to society as a whole. It is an effort to try to educate them into respecting ALL families, something they should have learned to do a long time ago. And now there is a new effort to try to convince Republicans that their thinking is very wrong on this and that their attitude needs to change now. Should this effort succeed, the remaining red states could soon see Gay rights and same-sex marriage become a reality.

 

Thirty-one U.S. state constitutional amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex unions have been adopted. That is quite a bit more than just the GOP there. The fact that activist judges are spitting in the face of the majority of Americans to instill the tyranny of minority is going to have vast repercussions.

No, I disagree with you. It is not the majority who has to change their thinking, it is the homosexual community forcing their beliefs down the throat of the rest of society.

The Supreme Court will decide it soon enough I imagine. Until then, let the gays play house with their pretend marriages.

 

And likewise, I disagree with you strongly as well. Why do you think those states banned the recognition of Gay Americans? Out of their Love for them and the desire to stay out of their private lives and business? No, quite the opposite. Because there are many in the majority who want to simply interfere in things that do not concern them and have never concerned them such as same-sex marriage. If they are not directly involved themselves in same-sex marriage they have absolutely no business trying to decide the business of a minority who is. That is why Federal judges have blasted those amendments that ban same-sex marriages in virtually all of the states where Gay and Lesbian Americans have appealed those laws. And you know the courts are not going to back away from continuing to rule the way they have been doing because that is the right thing to do. It is called giving ALL citizens the same rights they are entitled to and should be afforded under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The bigoted, hate-filled majority Must change their views just as they were Forced to change their views by the law on allowing Blacks to marry Whites and in giving them their Equal rights when so many were so vehemently opposed to that at one time during the Fifties and before. Times changed for them and so did their attitudes of that day and age as it inevitably will also in favor of Gay and Lesbian Americans. But as long as there is a discriminatory majority out there who wants to arbitrarily and capriciously repress the rights Gay Americans are entitled to there is the continuous need for Federal judges to overrule their bigotry, hate, discrimination, and intolerance because that is the right thing to do according to the law or they would not be able to rule the way they do.

People often lose sight of the fact that Gay and Lesbian Americans are not just there for fun. They work, they pay their taxes, they go to church to worship, they have or adopt children to add to their family, they spend a vast amount of their money buying in America to keep the economy going, and they willfully go into military service to fight for this country out of their love for it and to be able to keep YOU free. Those are things you and others apparently do not want to acknowledge but that is nevertheless the truth of how it is. So, why should you and others deny these proud Americans not 'special' rights but Equal Rights, that is, only the SAME rights that you and others currently have and enjoy?

 

Now substitute an incestual couple for homosexual and you are advocating for a brother and sister to get married.

Same argument.

Sickening to see how far our societies morals have declined.

 

You don't understand how law works. The 14th Amendment requires government at all levels to treat different groups the same from a legal perspective. If, however, the State can demonstrate a compelling societal interest it treating "Group A" different from "Group B", they allow an exception. The stated compelling societal interest in preventing close family members from getting married is to prevent genetic diseases. Is that good enough? I don't know enough to have an opinion. On the face of it, it appears so, but if people who know more about genetics and reproduction than I do say it's not that big a deal, I have no philosophical objection to it being legal.

I find it "yucky", and probably would not associate with anyone in an incestuous relationship, me finding it "yucky" is not a compelling state interest.

 

An incestuous couple does not equal a Gay or Lesbian couple you should well understand. And who's advocating for incest?

What is actually very sick are the idiotic arguments from your side that bring out things like this that are so twisted and so far-fetched and not at all germane to Gay marriage that people are no longer fooled when they are brought up. It's a shame to try to make it appear that one should substitute incest with same-sex marriage when any person with a little bit of intelligence would know the difference.

 

Polygamy is the next frontier.

 

It is hard for me to understand why the Republicans who are so staunch in defense of traditional marriage haven't gone all in and tried to outlaw divorce. After all our high divorce rate should appear in their eyes to be a much bigger threat to marriage than a few same sex couples getting the same rights as heterosexual couples.

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Stupidity is the last frontier, but Republicans have won that one.

 

Polygamy, or to pick a bit of a nit, polyamory (because Polygamy would fail on equal protection grounds) does not have the same equal protection and due process Constitutional issues that same sex marriage does. It very may well become legal at some point, I don't care one way or the other.

 

Exactly right! Divorce for Heterosexuals also causes great problems for their children as many medical reports have brought out. Besides, they should also be looking at their females who flock to have abortions, with great glee, that literally does not help otherwise good families in the procreation process that they always tout as being tops on their agenda and the way it should be.

Clearly! Touche'!!

 

Really? Who's trying to force you to believe homosexuality isn't a sin? All gays want is equal legal rights with traditional marriage. Something can be legal and still be considered a sin by many--gambling, alcohol use, etc.

The idea that legalizing same-sex marriage equates to accepting it as natural/normal, moral, or praiseworthy is ridiculous.

 

I thought it was your god's job to punish the wicked, not yours.

 

Regardless of whether one wants gay people to have equal rights or not, there isn't any serious person on either side of the aisle that doesn't know that they will have equal rights in all 50 states within 10 years. So what is the point at this stage? Just trying to get some last punches in before you get pulled off?

 

Its a civil rights issue..

How does same sex marriage affect your marriage?

 

Conservative here. I don't care if you want to marry the same sex person. Don't care if you marry your sibling, your mom, your dad, your grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers. Don't care if you want to marry 50 wives, or 50 husbands. Don't care if you want to marry a sheep or goat or frog or giraffe. I don't care if you marry a fox, or a box, or green eggs and ham.

I care about children not being abused, and not restricting my gun rights. By the way, abortion figures in to my equation of child abuse. Can we make a deal?

 

What if the couple cannot have children?

How are you legally going to discriminate them once gay marriage is legalized?

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Its a states right issue.

 

If it is, so what?

 

George Wallace said the same thing about integration.

 

BTW, it is becoming quite clear that the RNC has determined that pandering to the homophobes is not only no longer "profitable" to them in elections....it's become a "net loss".

Already you see how almost none of the GOP candidates run against gay marriage, or especially their once enthusiastic push for a "Federal Marriage Amendment".

Dozens of Republicans have now come out in favor of marriage equality and a Republican Senate candidate in Oregon (Monica Wehby) is running ads touting her SUPPORT of marriage equality.

The GOP wants this issue to "go away"...i.e. the US Supreme Court to render a final ruling against gay marriage bans (that the GOP under Rove pushed for in 2004)....and then the Republicans can say "It's settled law....let's just move on to tax cuts and other stuff,huh?"

But the days of "God, guns, and gays" being used by the GOP...are over. They may still have guns, but not gays and "God" makes them look like they want an American Taliban.

 

No one cares about it, outside of the Gay Guevaras. The USSC will determine that it is a STATE ISSUE, which means DULY ENACTED LAWS will stand, both pro and con.

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The "American Taliban" is the LGBT Attack Squad.

 

I agree, it is sickening how badly some of the morals of human beings have declined. Particularly in the Middle Ages when religion trumped anything resembling sane logic.

Ancient societies which are considered in many ways all saw the practice of homosexual relations. Persia, India, Rome, Greece, take your pick.

Considering brother and sister having a child together increases the rate of birth defects by almost 500%, I would say that is far worse than a relationship that isnt even possible of creating a child.

In fact, I question your morals that you see those two as equals.

 

As stated I care about many of those you posted, simply because my god (science) has PROVEN that it is harmful to the human race to do so. Talking about marrying/having sex with someone who shares your gene pool too closely.

Ahem....

As to 50 wives, 50 husbands, sheep, goat, frog or giraffe .....

Carry on

 

What part of "I have no philosophical objection against it" do you not understand?

 

Wasn't long ago the AMA considered homosexuality a "mental illness".
There are still some organizations around the world who do.

Anyway... if it will get them to finally shut the hell up, let it be legal.

Problem is, they will just find other stuff to whine and complain and protest over.

 

It will anyway through the court system. Frankly any support for Gay, Lesbians, African Americans, Latin Americans, Muslim Americans, is a sham. The Republicans want a white Christian only society. Let the denials begin