Elderly Man Shoots/Kills Pregnant Home Invader

I wonder if they viewed him the same way as they beat him trying to force him to open his safe... or viewed him much as a predator would...


again, you are more concerned with your own emotional rant protecting the criminals than you are for the justice the criminal got.
Here you are stating that they didn't do anything by squealing for more blood from their victim.

 

He said himself that he shot her in the alley when she was pleading for her life. That means he was not in imminent danger, so it was not self-defense. HE decided to be judge, jury and executioner, not me. Too bad for Miller, she didn't get the chance for a trial.

Was there a security camera video to prove that happened? Or are you taking the word of a man who would shoot a woman in cold blood?

I fully support justice for their crime of burglary and assault (if his story is true). But once they ran away unarmed, then HE was the criminal by intentionally killing her in cold blood. He was in no danger, so it wasn't self-defense, it was murder.

 

see, you have no problem killing the gun. She broke into his house, not the other way around. They robbed him, not the other way around. She was a damned liar. Those are the facts.
She paid the ultimate price for her stupidity and arrogance. and now you are trying to hang him. You should be applauding his actions instead of reminding us that the best way to avoid being targeted by thieves and thugs is to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing beg......

 

Yes, and they should have gotten the appropriate punishment. I HAVE NEVER SAID OTHERWISE.

Irrelevant. You would probably lie too, if you thought it might keep you from being murdered. What it shows is his willingness to murder a pregnant woman! He is no hero.

She paid the ultimate price for HIS stupidity and arrogance. He thought he was acting in self defense? Stupid. Bragging that he killed her? Arrogance.

See, you have no problem with murder if it means protecting gun rights.

 

we are going about this all wrong. You are protecting their rights to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing animals, I am not.

 

BS, I said they should get the appropriate punishment for their crimes. YOU are defending a murderer.

 

this is your argument, "He's a murder," already tried and convicted by you, yet you refer to the others in a "victim" frame of mind. You aren't concerned about them as much as you are concerned with him That lets me know how you view the whole incident.

 

The only person being charged with murder is the male burglar at this time. I haven't seen any new news on this since July 25.

 

Double standard, defending frontier justice killing of the woman, yet complaining about my "trial and conviction" of the killer.

 

That's correct, the only ones being charged with murder at this time are the unarmed male and his mother.

 

and it is enough!

 

"Greer pursued Miller out of his house and into the alley. He shot her in the back. And then, with her lying wounded on the ground and pleading for her life -- and still not clear on whether or not she was really pregnant -- he fired the fatal shot."


That's murder.

 

listen, you can try to beat me up with this all day, but I've said my piece and stand by what I said.
After this, you are only going to be flamebaiting or trolling. I know where you stand, and you know where I stand. Let it go

 

I will let it go until you say something ridiculous like, "and it is enough!"

 

Turns out the woman was not pregnant.

http://lbpost.com/news/crime/200000...n-with-tuesday-night-burglary-in-bixby-knolls

 

now you're trolling. Let it go.slick. Let it go

 

How does that change anything?



http://lbpost.com/news/crime/200000...n-with-tuesday-night-burglary-in-bixby-knolls[/QUOTE]

 

I'm just responding to your posts. That isn't trolling. If you want it "let go," then you can let it go. Slick.

 

The shooter is guilty of 2nd degree murder under California law. You can not use lethal force on a fleeing suspect.

 

People have every right to defend their homes, but this sounds like premeditated murder. The fact that the woman was pregnant is irrelevant. They were running away and at that point, they no longer were a threat to the gunman. Running after the burglars and gunning the woman down is called taking the law into your hands and is illegal. After the burglars escaped the prudent course of action would have been to call the cops. Shame on the woman though as she deliberately placed her child at risk. Her death only compounded the tragedy. What do you think is going to happen if you try to rob someone's house? If the woman was attacking me, and I felt my life was in danger, I still wouldn't have shot her. The child had nothing to do with the robbery, and I would as a result be choosing to sacrifice the child's life to ensure my own safety. You make a good point about practice vs theory. There is no way to know for certain how we may react to certain situations.

 

Simple case of retaliatory force. Let him go.

The dilemma is interesting for pro-lifers.

 

Please read the comments and maybe even research the issue. The woman wasn't pregnant according to autopsy results.

 

What? All 25 pages? Ok, my bad, it looks like you're correct. She really wasn't pregnant. That doesn't invalidate my entire post though. Part of my response to the op's hypothetical scenario. I still wouldn't have shot her. She may have lied, but how would I know, and better yet, how would the owner of that home know anyways? Besides, chasing someone and gunning them down in the streets goes beyond the bounds of "defending one's home." Part of me feels sorry for him because of his age and being robbed twice, but people regardless of their age need to be held accountable for their actions.

 

apparently the fact that the law doesn't allow for someone to pursue and execute another person after the fact isn't enough for some posters on this thread to actually admit that what the man did was illegal, even to the extent of trying to go off topic by suggesting that those of us who actually want the law upheld are using this case as a call for gun restriction . .thankfully there are also sane people here as well.

 

I have my moments.