Elise Stefanik files ethics complaint against judge in Trump's civil fraud trial

Gag orders are not unconstitutional. If this one is then every single one is.

 

Gag orders can be unconstitutional if they go too far. Your assertion that if one gag order is unconstitutional then every gag order is also unconstitutional is unfounded. I'd recommend reading the ACLU's response to an unconstitutional gag order in another Trump case. Prior restraints on speech must be very narrowly tailored and be the only way to serve a very compelling state interest. Judge's don't have the right to issue gag orders as they please. The person being gagged has rights that must be protected.

 

There have been thousands of gag orders issued for cases that prevented any discussion of the case at all. That includes the judge, employees, and any other issue in front of the court. But I’m glad to see you are in agreement with ACLU for a change.

 

Yes, I find it odd that lately the Repubs seem to be ignoring the impending shutdown in favor for show type politics. Seems like it is a contentious subject (budget) and there would be some reporting on them working towards a solution. Instead there is a flurry of political statement actions by the Repubs. They don't seem to be getting much real work done, the Senate Dems have been working on it, what about the Republicans?
Having a majority is only good when that majority has good leadership, and it looks to be lacking in the House of Reps at this time.

 

It may be a bit unfair to single out this particular judge when such obnoxious incompetence is so common. The only choice now may be between bad judges and anarchy.
Our broken corrupt criminal justice system cannot function at all without scofflaw judges and kangaroo courts.

 

IMO, the R Party's behavior and "house (even senate) governing" is a direct reflection of Trump. They are taking their marching orders directly from him.

 

Whenever one hears R's complain about a process or anything else, it's to distract from the fact that they are the one's who are actually doing what they accuse others of.
Deflection.

 

This is too vague, and you won't find this is common in gag orders. They have to be more specific than this.

 

Her letter is merely her opinion.
If her opinion is accurate then trump lawyers should have filed those appeals.

Courts don't run on opinions.
Since you couldn't answer the questions, you must agree she's blowing smoke. And can't admit it.

 

They have filed appeals and motions and they will be doing more. However, the judge has to follow the rules and the law. They can't use the process to harass a witness and take away their rights during the process while the extreme left effectivelyh says, "appeal it after the election." We all know what you really mean so just say it.

 

They have? Then why didn't you answer the other poster and the questions?
Where has the judge not followed the rules or the law?
What rights were taken away.
This trial isn't about trump. But a company he was part owner in.

 

There is currently a broad gag order in the Kohlberger case in Moscow Idaho.

 

https://www.krem.com/article/news/c...case/293-d6c8566b-4033-40e5-bb8e-511b23a428c1

This was also a criminal case and was set for different reasons. It also doesn't prevent the defendant from saying, "person X is biased." Again, it must be narrowly tailored for a compelling state interest that supersedes the defendant's free speech rights. It is designed to prevent certain people from talking about material facts of the case that are not already in the public record. References to information that has already become part of the public record is allowed.

Read the ACLU brief.

 

Also, do you believe Kohlberger is allowed to say, "the judge exceeded the maximum monetary donations to my political opponents than was permissible?" Or can he say, "the judge's wife has been posting crude memes about me to social media during the trial and cheering on the case against me?" Trump technically is not allowed to talk about the violation of political contributions that the Judge and Clerk made under Engoron's gag order. It's not even directly related to the case, but is information of public importance. It's overly broad and designed to protect themselves from public criticism despite being public employees. It is not to protect the outcome of the case because there's no jury to bias.

 

It's also important to know that Engoron already issued a guilty verdict prior to hearing any witness testimony or expert opinions. He's just trying to figure out how much he wants to fine Trump now. There's no compelling state interest to gag Trump. The judge just doesn't want other people to say mean things about his clerk who awkwardly and unusually keeps passing him notes and whispering in his ear prior to making rulings in the case. The judge is too stupid to handle this on his own so he's obviously outsourcing a lot of his decision making to his clerk. And he doesn't want people talking about it. This is also why the case should have been sent to the commercial division like Trump's team requested. They have the experience in these types of cases that he does not have. But Trump is not responsible for the opinions, words, and actions of other people. That's not how gag orders work. That's an abuse of power.

 

No Sir, I have followed this case maybe a lot closer than anyone ever ever has ever, ever before. There's never been anything like my following, it's incredible.

Tell us exactly what they were instead of just making broad statements. Be specific.

What, precisely has happened which is not appealable at this time, and when will it be appealable?

What 'filing' have they been adding. Again, be very specific.

The fact is that the only thing that Engoran has stopped them doing is re-arguing issues which he has already rule upon. If you think I am wrong about that, go right ahead and be very specific and supply details of exactly what Motions he has stopped them filing.

Sure, so tell me....why is this Politician making this complaint? Does she (or you) really reckon the Chief Judge is going to pre-empt the appeals, or is it far more likely she is being a grand-standing, Humpty toe sucking, attention seeking ****?

 

They are the party of full-on projection of EVRYTHING

 

Post #25
I didn't bother reading your full post because it's blatantly apparent you haven't read her letter and do not understand the basics of this case.

Post #18
It's interesting that you ignore the content of her arguments and instead choose to attack her character. People who are confident in their position don't typically do that.

The hypocrisy is in black and white.

 

Yes I'm 18 messages into it and that is all her attackers are presenting nothing about the clear bias and vengeance seeking by the elected judge and DA here.

 

Have you read her letter and car to comment on the content and substance of it?

 

I'm fully aware of the content of the case and Stefanik's letter which is the topic of this thread. If someone is trying to change the subject or saying untrue things I don't have time or the care to read and respond to it. All I can do is suggest they actually familiarize themselves with the case and the letter that is the subject of this thread.

 

Americans like their judiciary being used for political purposes. Liberty dies to thunderous applause. It's a sign of the times.

 

This itself, is projection

 

Yes true have you ever seen one where only the defendant couldn't?

 

The corrupt trial is a concern for everyone who values freedom, democracy, fair and ethical behavior in our justice system. The fact they can be so openly corrupt against a former president means they can easily do it to you.