Elizabeth Warren to GOP: Did You Hit Your Head & Think You Woke Up in 1950s or 1890s?

With the rights of personhood comes the restrictions. One restriction is the person can't harm another without their consent. Pregnancy harms women whether you agree or not.

Abortion is a medical procedure whether you agree or not. Calling it the overly emotional, hysterical, erroneous "scrambling the baby and sucking out the pieces "" doesn't make it any less a medical procedure.



That said, your whole post is simply one more "punish women for having sex" theme.

 

This is ideological madness. Red states are getting nothing by doing nothing, and in return their hospitals are closing. You haven't a clue of what you are talking about; http://billmoyers.com/2014/08/14/study-shows-the-madness-of-states-refusing-to-expand-medicaid/

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-deal-tighten-er-access

 

lol msnbc.... too funny....

No, I know exactly what Im talking about. By 2022 all states that expanded medicaid, will have to foot the bill themselves.

Every state who did, will go bankrupt

 

The number of late term abortions is hugely inflated by the pro life groups. They constantly redefine the term to the point that anything after twelve days is late term in their book. Most abortions happen within the first trimester, the first 20 weeks or so. Only 1.2% of all abortions happen after 21 weeks, and abortions happening when the fetus could survive on its own is such a small percentage its practically negligible. Those abortions are often preformed on women who intended their pregnancy but due to medical reasons are advised to abort. A tragic situation made worse by this political/moral nonsense.

Stem cell and other embryonic research does harvest aborted fetuses. To a non scientist this is pretty distasteful, but the research is valuable. The political ploy of describing this research as harvesting organs from aborted babies is deceitful as it gives the public the impression that all these fetuses are from late term abortions.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

 

http://billmoyers.com/2014/08/14/study-shows-the-madness-of-states-refusing-to-expand-medicaid/ Explain how this study is wrong then. This map shows how the red states would be gaining not losing; http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119011/map-how-much-24-states-lost-refusing-expand-medicaid So what are you talking about?

 

Consent was granted when the 2 People decided to engage in the act of creating one, knowing full well how the cycle of life and reproduction work. Sorry that you dont like that, but it is what it is.

Sure, complications can happen.....with anything. Thats why we have Medical Services. Women have plenty of resources for help if any complications arise.

And of course, calling it a Medical Procedure, (while it might help you and the other 2 Monkees not see/hear/speak what you are doing), doesnt change what it actually IS...which is as I wrote.

Unless of course they want to sell those parts, then of course they dont want to scramble it entirely.

Sorry that you feel keeping a baby alive is "punishment", and that a Woman having sex is so important that all of the responsibility that goes along with the activity (and the possible new life inside as a result) are far less important than her enjoyment.

Thats a "theme" Id be embarrassed to champion...but heck..look who im talking to.

 

It doesnt address what happens after 2022, once federal subsidies expire.

[video=youtube;lqjDng8ZMuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqjDng8ZMuY#t=252[/video]

 

Oh if the process of life were as simple as a Boxing match in which you could simply drop out when you had enough. Unfortunately in this match "dropping out" means killing another Human.

No, sorry.You cannot simply choose to destroy another human because you changed your mind after creating it. It's not a batch of cookies.

Simple enough to avoid all of them isnt it Fox? How about not jumping into the activity that creates these problems?

Some of these are simply ridiculous.

Stretch marks Fox??? A baby should be killed so the Woman doesnt have to Live with Stretch marks? Weight gain?? Well, no kidding....

The answer is simple. Dont want all of those problems, be more responsible with your sex. We do approximately a Million Abortions per year....it's simply too many. Sorry for some loose skin......

I call it what it is. I'm not a coward that has to call it something benign to avoid amitting what Im doing.

Directly on target and topic. Sorry that you wnat to ignore that relity of your beloved abortion. In many cases these baby humans are being salvaged for parts. This is what you are endorsing.
Uncomfortable I know. i guess Id try and push it away as off topic as well if I was on your side and didnt want it to interfere with my "harmless procedure" or whatever else you wish to call it.

EDIT: Sometimes even without consent of the Mother!!
Disguting Human body parts black market here, and YOU are supporting it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-sold-baby-parts-without-patient-consent.html

Which "facts" are you saying you have "stumped" me on exactly? This should be interesting.

 

Obviously we disagree on your first sentence. As to the latter part, we arent talking "more" rights at all...we are talking the same rights as the woman...which would be to exist. There is no right more fundamental, or important than that one.

So you didnt dispute "human" in my quoted line, and you state that Yes, we can choose to kill one....simple because you changed your mind LOL. The most fundamental right there is, and you would toss it aside, just like a batch of cookies.

Says alot Fox.

And as abortion statistics show, Abortion is being used as a form of birth control for careless people, and profits for unscrupulous outlets who traffic in human parts. What may have started out as a legal practice we needed under certain medical situations has become one of convenience and profits.

This is a problem, and why people like myself fight against it. The original purposes, whatever they may have been...have been perverted to make money, or because the Mother simply doesnt want to be inconvenienced as sees it like a morning after pill.

A million a year, with many of these Women having had multiples. Time to put the brakes on that in any way we can.

Stretch marks Fox. Thats worth a Human life? Nope.

I read and understood everything you laid down. Unfortunately for your side there are many of us who dont believe even one life is worth exterminating so that a Womans Friday nights can still be fun and carefree.

You made this up. I havent disputed anything that "happens during pregnancy" nor was I unaware of them. Im simply of the opinion that they come second to a human Life being extinguished.

Especially when things like Weight gain and Stretch marks are on the list....Oh booohoo.

And sometimes as the story breaking now tells us....Women dont even know their "parts" are being sold for profit. Another big problem. Humans are becoming merchandise under your nose...and you approve.

If you donate your parts, thumbs up to you..at least YOU made the choice.

Why exatcly would you think I didnt know about those things, or deny them????Does it escape you that simply put, that those concerns are less important than life???

 

Elizabeth Warren to GOP: Did You Hit Your Head & Think You Woke Up in 1950s or 1890s?

Fauxahontus! Do you think you hit your head and work up in NAZI Germany?

"opportunities" and "bonuses."

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/...eo-organs-harvested-without-informed-consent/

 

That isn't what I asked. I asked for you to explain how do you know? Your video explains that there are no guarantees. Well of course! If those states reject medicaid expansion, that is exactly why there will be no guarantees. You're already taking up a defensive position by not telling the truth. When you say it doesn't address what happens after 2022, that's exactly what the video is saying. It is saying that if we cut our leg to the bone and do not treat it with antibiotics and stitch it up, we will probably lose our leg. The video is a campaign promotion for failure by not accepting medicaid expansion. Any fool can see what message your video is trying to deliver.

 

There are no guarantees, either way, and thats a big gamble with 10 million American lives.

Dont go blaming Governors if they dont gobble down obamas lies.

 

Is anyone selling the parts?

 

Sure there is. Accept medicaid expansion and game over. Your video is a promotion campaign for failure. That's all it is. And you still didn't answer my question. How do you know medicaid expansion isn't going to work right now? Because it already is in the states that have it.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-deal-tighten-er-access How is this Obama's lie? Deal and others made the decision not to accept it, and now they are closing rural hospitals. How did that scenario end up being Obama's lies?

http://billmoyers.com/2014/08/14/study-shows-the-madness-of-states-refusing-to-expand-medicaid/

 

and when the state goes bankrupt, youll blame a republican governor......

Get real

 

You don't even realize your whole posts just screams, " Women should be punished for having sex"...and "WAHHHHH, women have power that I don't .."

No facts will ever change your mind.

 

Elizabeth Warren is awesome. Nothing scares the crap out of conservatives like smart women and minorities. She is spot on, too. Cons long for a day when women and minorities just shut their mouths and accepted their place as secondary citizens. That is what cons mean with talk of taking the country 'back.'

 

And yours screams Human Lives are less Important than a Womans convenience. You seem to like "facts" yet conveniently discard the fact that the most fundamental, and important right we have is the right to exist. If that one is left up to convenience of others...no other right matters.

Anyway. We simply disagree.

 

No, a fetus is not a person so, yes, the person's life is more important. You just value women's lives less than you allegedly value the fetus.

Society kills "inconvenient" people all the time, in wars and executions.

 

Sounds good Fox, but in pages prior you werent simply concerned wiht the "persons" life...you threw up everything from loose skin to stretch marks as also being more important. Sorry, take that entire lisyt you posted before, the one you tried to pretend I had never known about...and at elats be honest.

You are not simply advocating for the "persons Life" at all, you value the growing human so little that you put everything, even items of convenience above it's survival.

Too late to try and play the value the "persons life" card as being the sole reason. ( By the way, many of us against abortion do make allowances when it is apparent one or both will die if they try and carry/birth a baby...so that's totally irrelevant as an excuse anyway, even if it was legit...which in your case it has been shown not to be)

Of course.

However who in their right mind views a forming human life as an enemy combatant/soldier, or a criminal whos crimes were so abhorrent as to warrant the death penalty. Good lord man, thats just crazy to try and compare.

 

Strawman of course, noone ever said otherwise. It's simply that those concerns are less important than the right to exist.

No, you put everything above the baby's life...stretch marks, weight gain, hormonal imbalance, etc etc etc...too late to try and pretend you were simply making a choice based on their existence.

Sorry, already debunked. You have elevated everything above the babies existence, and are now trying to sound like you made a reasonable choice between the two lives.

i disagree with those who would allow no exceptions. If a Womans life is in peril due to being pregnant and carrying or delivering a baby...then of course hard choices have to be made to save one of them. Im not for both dying on the table.
Thats how you stand up for life.

Well perhaps my first few responses in this one will help clear your confusion. It's the same point.

Oh I can see that Fox. Your camp finds life less important than a Woman getting stretch marks, or having to curtail her Weekend fun. By all means exterminate that "invader" to save her Friday night options.