End Affirmative Action

the ones "liberalminority" referred to in an above post.

 

what does this mean : "positive discrimination"?

 

Are you crazy? It's good for you because you aren't white. In other-words you feel you are superior, so discriminating against white is ok in your mind.

Unbelievable. At least you aren't lying.

I must ask though, what is your big problem with white people? Why should we have to work harder and incur debt in college while minorities have an easy road in college?

 

FYI, San Fran is 58% white and 31% Asian.

 

Yeah, although that's including hispanics as white. White non-hispanic is 45% in the last census.

 

it still does not make it practical to be income based because most caucasians can afford to pay for college.

at the very least it helps diversify the workplace by allowing more opportunities for wealthy minorities to get in easily

 

Do you make most of your decisions in life based on race, or just when it relates to work or concerns college financing?

 

Dude what is your problem?

This comment is so stupid it doesn't even need to be addressed. I don't know where you get your info from. Most whites go to school when they are 18, many of them have never worked, some of them have worked minimum wage jobs... How can they afford college, but minorities can't? Very few people can pay for college without taking out loans.

I can tell you don't really have a clue what you are talking about.

How is it fair that wealthy minorities are getting preferential treatment? I thought the rich were terrible people?

 

Here is an amusing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bmSzgvaJCn0

Students at a university were asked whether they supported affirmative action. When they answered "yes", they were asked whether they also supported affirmative action on the basketball team, since 90% of the basketball players on the team were black. None of them could explain why they supported affirmative action academically but not in school athletics.

 

Thank you! That video was classic!!!

 

Get rid of AA? (Sure, but let's make sure we really don't NEED it, before we do.)

 

Alright. Give whites about 72% of the positions in the NBA. Whites are underachieving and it isn't their fault.... of course a statement like this would be one that a true affirmative action supporter would make.

The truth being, you don't *really* support AA... you only support it when it helps your particular race.

 

I know you hate AA, but I can't see where you've presented a complete case for ending it. Sorry.

 

How is AA in basketball different than AA in academics???

Why is race even a factor??? Better yet, why is it even collected on a college application???

The only case I need against AA is that it is indeed a racist policy. You don't combat racism with government/institutionalized racism.

 

Here is an interesting thought: Jews and ethnically Japanese Americans earn more money than the average white person.

If affirmative action can be used to positively discriminate in favor of certain races, should it also not be used to negetively discriminate against certain groups that have an advantage? There are many instances were jewish employers will subtely discriminate in employment in favor of a fellow Jew, but these sorts of incidences are almost never reported.

Yes, there are significant racial disparities in income and academics. But the real question is whether this is because of innate [genetic/cultural] statistical differences, or whether it is because of intentional discrimination.

And the problem with affirmative action is the difficulty determining which specific group of people actually deserve it. For example, there are many different ethnicities within the Asian American community. On the average, Asians earn more than whites. But Thais, Vietnamese, and Phillipinos earn less. Does this mean some groups of asians should get affirmative action, but others should not? What about an asian of mixed asian ethnicity, for example part japanese and part thai? And so one can begin to see the problem with using race as the basis for affirmative action.

All to often, most of the benefits of affirmative action merely flow to a small group of already successful racial minorities, doing virtually nothing to help the masses of poor minorities.

 

The only way one cannot see the reasonable efficacy of AA, is to IGNORE the meanings/lessons of American history.

Now, write your Congressman... and have him/her propose a bill to get rid of AA. Really, let's see how far that goes.

 

Ok. Let's enforce AA across the board then. 72% of NBA players should be white, there should be the respective amount of hispanic and asian basketball players as well.

Why do you only support AA when it helps your race?

 

I think AA made sense up until about the 90s. By that point in time, society had changed enough from the Jim Crow era that it was time to move on.

Nowadays, AA basically screws over poor minorities, since wealthy minorities have the same access to this institutional favoritism.

For example, if you're a poor black kid trying to get a race-based scholarship, you're going to have to still compete with a rich black kid who probably doesn't even need the help while he also has parents that can afford a personal tutor to help him study.

In the end, AA currently just makes it easier for wealthy minorities while not really helping the poor ones much.

 

Affirmative action is merely treating the symptom. The real problem is that a young black person is more likely to grow up in a ghetto and lead a less productive life than his white counterpart. The problem is criminal and poverty rates for blacks being so high. As a society, we need to fix these issues and give the African American community an even playing field. Then affirmative action would not be necessary.

 

I do not accept affirmative action because it is obviously the definition of discrimination.

However, it's weird that a far-rightist would join medical school because the medical industry is funded mostly/largely by socialist methods, such as social security, medicare, medicaid, etc.

 

The fact that blacks do so well in pro sports is proof that they are not held back by racism. Being a pro jock is the most coveted job in america so why don't whites keep those jobs for themselves.?? Fact is whites do not hold back blacks at all and they can't make it in intellectual fields like business or science because they are stupid.

 

the last sentence of the OP says it all, minority doctors are qualified just because they don't score as high as white men does not mean they can't do the job

so this is null because they are just equalizing the admissions after everyone qualifies

 

That's a possibility but you should consider Occam's Razor and simply admit that blacks are failures because they're stupid. They do just fine in pro sports where brains are not needed.

 

Facts mean nothing to the left on this particular issue (and many others). Facts will quickly find themselves treading on that most sacred leftist burial ground - the one that contains the bones and carcasses of our many fallen standards.

 

That's stupid. The dummy black doctors can prolly do the job, but not as well as the smart doctors. Your attitude makes as much sense as saying all HS graduates are the same!!!!