End the Scourge of White Supremacy

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by George Bailey, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You've left out the reasons that white supremacists may end up dead or in prison. Not because they hate non-whites and jews, but because of violent actions they tend to take against those they hate. There are good reasons for them being classified as terrorist organizations.
     
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    Ok. So if whites do resist they are terrorists. Got it.

    Any examples that support the idea that this multi-ethnic multi-racial experiment will end well?

    Of course we all know the left's idea of ending up "well" is replacing whites culturally (this has already happened), and demographically (in progress) without the whites making any fuss about it.
     
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    The word race is a triggering word. It has a lot of baggage attached, and none of it is good. I completely agree with what you say, and I don't deny the racial underpinnings, but what you describe is stereotyping based on racial/ethnic differences. I say that because as soon as we mention race, we trigger emotions that slam the door to any rational discussion. We all seem to have this us/them mentality at our core and any attempt to explore our assumptions ends up with the sound of slamming doors. If only we could talk about our assumptions and stereotypes in a civil way...
     
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    I totally agree with your sentiment.
     
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    I had one of those DNA tests done, and I have some African DNA. It's not a lot, but it shows that about 200 years ago, I had an African ancestor. There are studies showing that African Americans are on average 24% European. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/ ) The problem with focusing on race (other than the emotional connections) is that it's not terribly accurate. Still, we focus on the most obvious physical traits and assign others to our stereotype categories. Skin color stands out.

    In the same way that people will see your posting name and put you into the categories of Muslim and terrorist, people will put Blacks into categories of criminal, lazy, and unintelligent. All this without having met you. This is that mental shortcut that allows us to make assumptions about others without having to think.

    There is us and there is them. Can we ever escape that kind of thinking? It seems programmed into us. It may have at one time been a survival instinct (large, wild animals are a them, not an us.) allowing us to make instant decision without having to waste time thinking. Given the lack of clarity regarding our dna, it might seem culture is a better way to categorize and stereotyping is a better word than racism.

    I don't think we can ever get around our tendency to make assumptions and use stereotypes. In a slightly more idealistic world, I would hope that people could come to recognize that we think using those shortcuts, and that we could take the time to examine those faults.
     
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    It is programmed into us. Into our DNA. First immediate family, then relatives and those who look like us, and those who look less like us, and those who are totally different. It is part of the survival mechanism to continue the reproduction of your genes. Once that is threatened the survival instincts kick in. On a side note, it is interesting that whites have what I heard called a "death drive" more than any other race. They are more likely to engage in dangerous activities like extreme sports as well as commit suicide. They also seem to be the most hell bent on destroying their own people and culture. Of course much of that is the propaganda and peer pressure they endure along with whatever trauma they have experienced that makes them feel inferior within their own race. Notice the weak effeminate males are typically liberals. They feel inferior to masculine white males and therefore want to retaliate.
     
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    I agree, for the most part. We do have that element of our personality as I mentioned previously, and it does seem to be genetic. But I do think it's something we develop through the influence of culture.
    If someone in an unknown tribe in some part of the world separate from the rest of humanity was born with the same capacity for math as someone else in one of the dominant societies of world, but that person never goes to school or never knows anything about math, he/she would be looked down on as a savage and as lacking intelligence. It's really not much different when a kid born into poverty in a culture that is doubtful that education will change lives. If the social pressure to learn is not stressed, those genetic capacities go unfulfilled.
    There are many who don't see the need for the arts in education and don't want it taught. This attitude is a very practical one if you consider the purpose of education is all about jobs. However, that thinking limits our ability to develop capacities we may have to think critically and to imagine possibilities. We end up wallowing in our assumptions and stereotypes about others with no hope for change.
     
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    Explain how white supremacists ATTACKING synogogues is "resisting"?
     
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    Yes, we can and have actually done so with the Millennial and Gen Z'ers by teaching them to see others as people like themselves.

    My daughter is a Millennial and when the subject of race comes up they know that it is a load of crap.

    People are individuals and as such the majority are good and there are *******s to be found among them that have nothing at all to do with their race and/or ethnicity.
     
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    :roflol:

    What a massive load of bovine excrement!

    Ever taken a good hard look at the Incels?

    Typically white males that can't get laid because they embrace the idiotic fallacies of macho conservatism?

    :roflol:
     
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    The majority, in any community or society, are neither 'good' nor 'evil'. It depends on what circumstances they are in, what you have been teaching them, and how much power they have to do good or evil things compared to how much they lose or win from doing those things.
     
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    That actually happened during the time that the British occupied India.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srini... Ramanujan FRS (/ˈs,the British Rule in India.

     
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    Completely agree with you there. My daughter knew about racism before she started school and was playing with kids of every colour from the time she could play. Given that she was taught about the major prejudices when she was learning about life, not being prejudiced while knowing some are has always been part of her. I have been interested in her as she was growing up that she has sometimes been able to notice prejudice when I had not. It definitely is a learned activity and being taught not to be prejudiced when you are little makes absolute sense. When I told her some of the memes against black people when she was about four, she could not believe it. 'That could be against **** her friend. That is dreadful.' she said.
     
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    :applause:

    I like to joke about my daughter being "colorblind" because she grew up with friends of all races.

    Looking at pictures taken of her birthday parties over the years and the majority of the kids were not white in all of them.
     
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    although I think that to some extent depends on where they are born. Mine was born in central London...and that also goes with the thing that people are likely to be a lot more racist when they live in a predominantly white area.
     
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    The post was interesting until the last part - expounding the joys of "Biodeterminism" aka Social Darwinism.

    This is one of Trump's driving ideologies .. and that of the elitist class.
     
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    That makes sense but where and how one is raised is more important IMO.

    My own father was a racist but I rejected that because what he was saying was untrue about my own friends and colleagues. I rejected his racism because it was based upon fallacies about people that I knew from my own experience to be the same as I was and, in some cases, better people than myself.

    The Census officially recognized whites as a minority where we lived and raised my daughter because we had so many immigrants in our community. I did volunteer work and that enabled me to interact with people from all parts of the world. On top of that I have lived and worked overseas which enables one to have a much broader outlook IMO.

    So yes, you are correct that racism exists in predominantly white areas and it disappears in diverse communities.
     
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    I'll address this with the post quoted below.


    The difference between this and the point I was trying to make is that the person mentioned in the article grew up in a town that had schooling available. My example was supposed to isolate the individual from society and focus on the difference between intellectual capacity at the genetic level and the development (or lack of it) of that capacity. If a person grows up in some extremely remote area having never heard of numbers or math, that person is unlikely to develop that mathematical capacity to the extent that the young man you mentioned did. My point overall was that we are born with abilities, but to be useful they have to be developed. Intellect is genetic and environmental.


    First, I agree with what you say, but only to a degree. I taught millennials, and even though they may not be as openly racial as previous generations, there are still some huge hurdles for us to overcome, and some hurdles I'm not sure we can overcome.

    Back when I was in college, I was part of an organization called, Building Bridges. The goal was to reduce racial/prejudicial attitudes by making people aware of them. It was an experience that taught me a lot. One thing I learned was that being aware of our prejudices doesn't mean we will rid ourselves of them. Part of this comes from the fact that we are programmed genetically to think in binary ways like us/them. Our environment can promote and develop our tendency to see the world that way. In the same way, our environment can promote and develop a tendency towards the opposite (though it can't eliminate our capacity to think that way). That means that we can and should try to develop open-mindedness. Yes, people are different from us, but we don't have to be afraid of differences.

    I thought back then that I was pretty color-blind. I may have even told one of the others in that organization that I was. I was informed around that time that I did indeed have a racial attitude and did see myself as separate from Blacks in a kind of belittling way. The guy who told me this was a Black man who told me he grew up hating Whites, and was still not over that hatred. He repeated some of my comments and explained why he saw them as an underlying racial attitude. He also showed me how I was judging most people by using stereotypes. It was a humbling experience that took me a while to accept. What I learned from it is that my biases and stereotypes pop up without me thinking about them. I will not deny that I have them, but I have learned to be more aware of them and how they affect the way I see things.

    The guy who told me I had a racial attitude (which he said was a subliminal type of racism) also said he'd rather deal with someone in the Klan when it comes to racial things because he knows exactly what to expect from them, and knows exactly how he is seen by them. He said White liberals are well intentioned, but should not be trusted. The more I thought about it, the more I agreed with him because I was seeing and hearing it all around me from people who were totally against racism. This Van Jones guy who made the news recently for saying “It’s not the racist person in the KKK that we have to worry about. It’s the white, liberal Hillary Clinton supporter walking her dog in Central Park” we have to look out for," is echoing the same kind of thing. The woman he was referring to may have been convinced she wasn't racist, but when she got angry, she called police knowing they would respond to the way she stereotyped the man who wanted her to put a leash on the dog.

    Anyway, I do agree with your last statement--that the more diverse we are, the more likely we are to not see ourselves as dominant and act in racist ways.
     
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    While the above is optimistic and encouraging of hope, it is honestly not believed the matter is as simple as all that, due to studying of the history of the world, and the human species.

    Racism is ultimately the successor to tribalism, which went by the wayside as tribes became eventually settlements, which eventually became cities. But the sentiment behind it, the desire to belong to small, easily identified groups for a sense of likeness, has always been present regardless. That desire for a sense of belonging has only grown worse as population sizes increase, and the individual people begin to feel crowded by strangers they do not recognize.

    It has long been believed that if matters such as race and religion did not exist, and could not be used as a basis for fueling strife, matters such as height and eye color would be used as the basis for justifying hostility against others. The human species, for all of its supposed intelligence and superiority over other species in the animal kingdom, demonstrates what can only be described as an innate desire to wipe itself out of existence under whatever justification it can manage.
     
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    Resist? Do you believe resistance is all that white supremacists do? Seriously?

    If you don't want to mix with other races, then don't.

    If you don't want to live in proximity to other races, go someplace like one of the white supremacists' many "compounds" around the country (I know of a big one in Idaho ... beautiful country up there).

    The "left" has no agenda to replace anyone's culture, they are simply tolerant of other cultures and don't sit in judgment like the white supremacists. Personally, I find multi-racial and multi-cultural communities much more interesting, and am not afraid of losing my own mostly Irish heritage by spending time amongst "others."

    As for how it will "end up," it won't. We've been mixing the human gene pool for a really long time, some of it beneficial to the species and some of it not. We've especially been mixing it up here in America, where all used to be welcome.

    Those "fussing about it" are, IMHO, simply afraid of what they don't understand, and afraid of change. We aren't all like that. Most of us accept change as the constant it's always been, and some of us thrive on change. A few are capable of causing change, for good or ill, and those are the ones who end up having statues made of them and such.

    Do you know the "eggs, carrots, and coffee" story?
     
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    Such as not speaking out in opposition when those who practice the islamic faith murder homosexuals by throwing them off of buildings, stoning rape victims to death in the public square on the charge of adultery, and holding that women are to be subservient to men as if they were nothing more than private property?
     
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    Please provide evidence of liberals ignoring the horrific acts perpetrated by any ethnic or religious or cultural group.

    Hyperbole, rhetoric ... hateful nonsense.
     
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    That is so sadly true. But then again, it's part of a natural system of control to keep the planet in balance. The more people, the more hate, the more killing...
     
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    The simple fact that no individual who align with the left wing side of the political divide in the united states has ever spoken out against any atrocity committed by practitioners of the islamic faith, no matter how heinous it may be. Not a single senator or other congressional individual who belongs to the democrat party has ever voiced outrage at honor killings, female genital mutilation, or the murdering of rape victims by charging them with adultery. Instead they pretend such acts simply do not occur, and instead call for the public to not judge practitioners of the islamic faith.
     
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    Liberals are all for everyone having a voice, until that voice differs from theirs - then they are shocked and outraged and immediately go about trying to silence those who disagree with them.
     
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