Erdogan invites the wrold to help Somali

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  1. haydar

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    Turkish PM Erdogan, ministers and some artists and bussiness man woman from Turkey made a suprise visit to Somali due to Somali is suffering the starvation terriblly this year. Somali is in big trouble with dead of peoplr children that they are living worst year of last 60 year's due to drought. Also Erdogan critisized some Arab patrol riches and he asked them ''if they will carry their milions to other wrold''

    I know that Turkey collected and send 150 Million Dolars to Somali recently and plus red moon send tousands of tents equipments e.t.c while wrold mostly blind to this starvation.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3uw_Iri7uk"]Başbakan Erdoğan SOMALİ de konuştu Ramazan 2011 TRT - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ8nGTdTmkQ&feature=related"]Child dies every six minutes in Somalia famine - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Stop sending food.

    When I was 15 I collected cans for Africa, they were starving.

    Since then their population increased sixfold, they get the stuff to survive but never to fix the situation.

    Send condoms, equipment for farms, food is never the solution, its a total waste.

    in 20 years time Somalia will have 50-60 million people and guess what? they will still be hungry and rely on us.
     
  3. haydar

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    Together the eight countries making up the G8 represent about 14% of the world population, but they represent about 60% of the Gross World Product.

    And you beleive the solution to send condoms? The richness you live in is a result of the starvation of Africa. At least respect and don't tell me the solution not to send food to send condom. If this is your solution you start to advise to send condoms to Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal slowly.
     
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    Africans starvin' in famine...
    :omg:
    Why aren't African leaders giving more for famine relief?
    August 26, 2011 - African leaders talk often of 'African solutions for African problems,' but the paltry $70 million pledged at an AU famine-relief conference raises questions whether this mantra is just rhetoric.
     
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    Who cares about Erdoğan's lame propanganda all he talks about is Somali, Somali and Somali nowadays I mean it's okay but he focusses on this more than he has to, why the (*)(*)(*)(*) he cares about them more than they do issues of Turkey. Since that visit all his untrustable organizations like IHH, Kimse Yok Mu?, and Deniz Feneri began to seek donations for Somali, I wonder how much of the donations actually goes to Somali.
     
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    I think I'm with you on this one.
     
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    World Bank responds to famine...
    :)
    World Bank to Contribute Millions to Help Kenya Withstand Drought
    August 30, 2011 - In response to the ongoing crisis in the Horn of Africa, the World Bank is planning to provide Kenya with tens of millions of dollars to improve the country's defenses against future droughts.
     
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    Agreed. :)
     
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    Agreed! :)

    :peace:
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Apparently the part about sending farm equipment was missed. The problem is also a drought so water is also a key issue to be addressed as is over-population (the reason for sending condoms).

    There is an old saying, "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." There is truth to that saying.
     
  11. janpor

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    Haydar, there needs to be a structural solution -- otherwise this will keep on happening.

    Also, the region also exports food (princess beans) to Western countries by aeroplane!

    "Drougth is natural phenomeon, hunger is a political one."
     
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    The Arabs, particularly the GCC countries have sent millions to Somalia.. and continue to do so..
     
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    http://www.arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article493723.ece

    Generous though the Saudi response is, it is just a drip in the ocean compared to what is needed. The UN says a billion dollars is urgently required. Only half has been forthcoming. Moreover, the fact that the Saudi amount raised is less than that was collected for the Palestinians or the tsunami can be put down to a very understandable sense of unease about the continuing chaos in Somalia.


    Growing public hostility toward the militants of the Shabab movement because of their disastrous mishandling of the famine — for too long they refused to admit it was a problem and kept out the international aid agencies — has forced them to withdraw from the capital. But while the withdrawal has been tentatively heralded as the first real chance for the transitional government to exert its authority in Mogadishu and beyond and so bring Somalia back to something like political normality, there is no guarantee the Shabab will not return and bring their destructive incompetence back with them.

    What has been given is purely for the immediate, desperate needs of a people who are suffering. It is a humanitarian response. Politics does not come into it. But politics has to, if the suffering is to end.

    A major part of the problem is that much of southern Somalia remains in the hands of the Shabab and as such inaccessible to many aid agencies. Getting the Shabab to allow the agencies unrestricted access is as important as the amount of money and relief supplies raised for the famine victims.
     
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    Yep, Rebels steal the millions and the food packages and sell them.

    It was reported that a huge amount of food packages turned up on e.g. the market of Nairobi.

    Disgraceful.
     
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    For the Eid holiday Saudi Arabia has airlifted 240,000 tonnes of food to Somalia.. but everybody is a bit jumpy because NOBODY like Al Shabab or the Pirates.
     
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    No need to get all "expert" on me. :mrgreen:

    We just call it "Suikerfeest" or "Sugar Feast". Eid. :rolleyes:

    It basically is our Carnaval, only more crappier if I say so.
     
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    Actually, its a very nice family holiday.
     
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    Yes,...

    Like Carnaval -- only after the fasting instead of before.
     
  19. haydar

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    I agree with you that just to send food will not bring a structural solution. But i couldn't understand what people here advise or try to say...

    As far as i understand People here try to say:

    1) Their population grown up rapidly so children could die due to starvation
    2) There were priots so they can die due to starvation,
    3) They will consume the aids and again will die so it is better for them to die due to starvation now,
    4) They are muslim, there is a civil war it is an unneccasary country they can die due to starvation.
    .......

    Children die form starvation in Somali so from a HUMAN first reaction must be we have to help them... If we don't help at least to respect to people who help. I see people here making very ''proffesional'' comments, thanks God i am an ''amateur''.
     
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    Just out of curiosity - how long you're going to artificially maintain high fertility in Africa, constantly sending humanitarian aid? If you want to save some lives there, you should teach them producing food instead of providing them with daily meal. Earth is in danger of overpopulation.It may sound cynical but supporting ultra-high population growth in less developed countries will only worsen the situation.
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    Oh, sorry, didn't noticed

    "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." saying upstairs.
     
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    Welcome back janpor. I noticed that you were banned previously... Why's that?
     
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    Well, I called an American poster a sell-out, a "slave of the rich" and that he would sell his grandparents in exhange for 500gr of butter.

    :???:

    At least I can say on PoliticalForum.com that Muslims are rotten people and all should be deported or hanged. :omfg:

    :judge:

    :disbelief:
     
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    To teach the man to fish?

    What is maden to teach the catching this fish untill now? And what is this fish?
    They have Oxford in Somali and they don't go? They have huge factories, offices? Yes yes, the this Africans reject to all teachings and job opprtunities by Western countries, they deny and they choose to die from starvation.

    My advise to you if you see a man diying from starvation and asking for a job (maybe you can't see this in Europe but it is very often in east and africa) you don't try to explain this Chinesee expression...
     
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    Then may be it is time for Africans to answer a simple question: "Hey, there is no colonial rule for 50 years and things are getting worse each year. May be we should stop just reproduce uncontrollably and wait for humanitarian aid from White Man and just do something about our situation!"

    My advice to you is just not to make any conversation with man sitting on his own ass and doing completelly nothing while starving. In the best case he will try to demand money, permanently blaming you in all his ills.
     
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    Agree with Sam Kinison from 0:55 on and the others that expressed the argument that sending food is not the answer. A permanent refugee camp is not sustainable.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao&feature=related"]Sam Kinnison on World Hunger - YouTube[/ame]
     

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