Eric really is that stupid

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    and every year before that. And the State of Florida says that tax evaluations should not be used for any other purpose. And again once set you cannot raise the appraisal until it is sold again.
     
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    Folks that believe this crap don’t need links. Those that believe this crap still believe President Trump is responsible for the severe out of control inflation most are suffering from today.
    They will tirelessly defend that President Trump is responsible even though they know that biden signed 150 executive orders on his first day in office. Those executive orders reversed almost everything President Trump did while in office.
    It’s extremely sad that after all we have been through in the last couple years that anyone would defend a CAREER POLITICIAN.
     
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    Try actually reading the court filing. The judge did not rule that the property was only worth 18 million. As per usual, Trump is just spouting lies and counting on his followers to not do their homework.
     
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    Is that or is that not the number the judge is using as a value for Maralago?
     
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    The judge provided no valuation for Mar a Lago. You are falling for some of Trump's dumbest lies.
     
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    so he says Trump over prices his properties but didn't give any counter valuations? So no support for his argument at all? You realize of course that make his case even worse?
     
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    Lol, dude, Trump has basically admitted that he just makes up whatever he feels like for the properties, and he's been caught claiming he didn't use brand value when he did and he's been caught using fake valuations. You realize of course that makes it fraud, right?
     
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    Even if true and it isn't what trump says publically and what is on the banks loans can be different things and unless some one lose money and it's no harm no foul.
     
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    That's not even true. Lying on bank loans is illegal. Period.
     
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    https://www.acpafl.org/resource-cen...praiser is charged,change each and every year.

    Undoubtedly the calculations are in fact lower than real market value, 50% at the most. More than that one needs to be seeing if the tax assessor is living in an $18 million house.
     
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    First the banks do their own evaluation. And if they disagree then they will tell you so and how much they will loan you on that property. That is true whether you are Joe Blow wanting to set up a line of credit based on the value of your 2Ok run down shack or Trump using Maralago.
     
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    And I know that's the go-to excuse you've fallen for. But the law doesn't work that way.

    This does not make lying to them about your assets legal. Let that sink in. Read that sentence as many times as it takes for you to finally understand it. Once again, "Your honor, it was their fault for believing my lies" is not a legal defense.

    And if I forge documents to fake the value of my assets on that application for a line of credit? Yeah, dude, that's called fraud. I'll never understand why you guys can't accept the objective fact that fraud is against the law. I'm sure you are all having fun in your alternate reality, but back here on planet Earth, in the USA, that's how it works.
     
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    Who the hell gave you that idea? No. That's not how market value is determined. Even if you didn't know that before, which could only be possible if you've never owned a home or commercial property, it is clearly spelled out in the link you were provided . . . and obviously didn't read.
     
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    Dude thank for the prime example of leftist logic. Because two people disagree about the value of a given Item does not make either a liar. No one forge any documents.
     
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    It does when you just MAKE UP A VALUE BASED ON WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE INSTEAD OF USING ACTUAL VALUATION. It does WHEN YOU LIE ABOUT OBJECTIVE THINGS LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GOT AN INDEPENDENT VALUATION, RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY or WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE INCLUDED BRAND PREMIUMS. I'm sorry that you think that caring about the law is "leftist logic," but LYING TO GET MOVE FAVORABLE LOAN TERMS IS FRAUD. Period. End of story. You don't need to be a "leftist" to understand this. You just have to rub two braincells together. As far as forged documents go, you do realize they FORGED THE SIGNATURE OF AN APPRAISER, right?
     
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    Indeed. What is astounding is that how far the T supporters will go to justify his conduct...the same conduct that they would deplore in anyone else. What is wrong with that picture??? T and his followers have created a world of opposites. What is fact in the real world is not so in T World. They don't seem to realize that they are reinforcing his bad behavior by so avidly supporting him..(even if they have to alter reality to do so)
     
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    Trump has two problems. First, Trump provided no documentation on the property values he submitted to banks to prove his case. Second, Trump's defense was speculation. Thus the key is the value variance between Florida's Tax Appraiser Office and what Trump said the property is worth. It appears ignored the Deed of Conservation and Easement for Mar a Lago and used two speculative arguments for that property valuation. Trump illegally added 20,000 square feet to his penthouse and other property restrictions for other properties.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23991865-trump-ny-fraud-ruling
     
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    There are three methods under GAAP: income capitalization method, comparative sales method, and cost approach. With unique, commercial properties, the income capitalization method is the best approach.

    It is not "market vale" but property valuation if the property is not being sold. This includes all ascertainable inputs for said property.

    https://viewpoint.pwc.com/dt/us/en/...proac_US.html#pwc-topic.dita_1510084709184628
    https://www.cbiz.com/insights/artic...ng-understand-the-differences-between-us-gaap
     
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    Which does not change the law in florida...
     
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    Does not change the law in NY and since Trump did not use the preferred method under GAAP or NY law is why that first ruling was made,
     
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    And since only the bank's evaluation appears on the loan paper work that the banks drew up not Trump sue the banks.
     
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    Eric really is that stupid, seriously. Ivanka on the other hand, has a memory of pure convenience.
     
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    It is not. The judge offered no "value" number for Mar-a-Lago.

    He merely pointed out that the valuation Trump gave on his financial statements was 2300% higher than the Florida tax assessment number. A mark up so ludicrous as to constitute fraud.
     
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    Eric's right. This judge is an idiot. Trump judge bitch slapped by Appeals Court.

    Appeals Court Lifts Trump Gag Order In NY Fraud Case While Case Under Review
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    'Trump can now freely comment about the court and its staff while the appeals process plays out...'

    The authoritarian left is all in on censorship. Too bad the Liberal Left no longer controls the movement. Now Trump can saw whatever he likes about this idiot judge and his side piece clerk.

    Trump was unconstitutionally 'gagged last month by judge Arthur Engoron.'

    'Trump's attorneys filed a lawsuit against the trial judge - Engoron had abused his power. Judge David Friedman of the state's intermediate appeals court scheduled an emergency hearing Thursday afternoon where he granted their request.'

    ''Ruling at an emergency hearing Thursday, Friedman questioned Engoron’s authority to police Trump’s speech outside the courtroom — such as his frequent gripes about the case on social media and in comments to TV cameras in the courthouse hallway.'

    'Friedman said that while it’s true that judges often issue gag orders, they’re mostly used in criminal cases where there’s a fear that comments about the case could influence the jury. Trump’s civil trial doesn’t have a jury.'

    This robed clown tried to unconstitutionally gag Trump because he didn't like the content of his constitutionally free speech. It's as simply as that. This is the way these Left Wing censorious crooks operate. They respect no one but themselves. and the view the rights of others as something they grant, not God-given as they are in our system.

    '"I don’t see a reason for restrictions because Ms. James is continuing to disparage my client," said Trump attorney Alina Habba, referring to NY Attorney General Letitia James, who is prosecuting the case.'

    Of course, the entire process is unfair and has been massive violation of Trump's rights from the start.

    'Trump can now freely comment about the court and its staff while the appeals process plays out.' And he'll mock them mercilessly you can be sure of that.

    'Separately on Wednesday, Trump's legal team urged Engoron to stop the case immediately, arguing that his appearance of bias "threatens both Defendants’ rights and the integrity of the judiciary as an institution."'

    '"This constitutional protection is at its apogee where the speech in question is core political speech, made by the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, regarding perceived partisanship and bias at a trial where he is subject to hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties and the threatened prohibition of his lawful business activities in the state,"'

    They are jackals bent on destroying Trump, and losing.
     

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