Eschatology and Global Warming

That'a a poor answer. The first is a revered work of history about religion. The second is based on interviews with IPCC scientists. Learn before you post.

 

Heartland has long been on the Prime AstroTurf” list it’s links to dark money and the Koch brothers is very well known
https://climateinvestigations.org/heartland-institute/
https://www.desmog.com/heartland-institute/
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate
https://www.prwatch.org/news/2020/0...charities-bankroll-heartland’s-climate-denial
https://www.ecowatch.com/heartland-institute-climate-science-2334892782.html

 

Still not peer reviewed science - you DO know what peer reviewed science is don’t you?

 

Rarely and the few that do have cherry picked the articles to a fare thee well as well as misrepresenting the information and building strawmen and other logical fallacies.

I think you will find I just proved that it does

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And you believe them? you EXPECT an institution like Heartland to post “Yep! We get lots of moolah from Billionaires who own coal mines”

 

Refuted point by point in the "Reply to Our Critics" tab. Interesting that the point of this thread is that the fanaticism of believers leads them to justify morally questionable practices -- in this case lying about Heartland. You've illustrated my point.
Heartland Institute: Home

 

But it is the topic of this thread. Try to stay on topic.

 

And you believe them? you EXPECT an institution like Heartland to post “Yep! We get lots of moolah from Billionaires who own coal mines”[/QUOTE]
Just more off-topic arm waving, already refuted.

 

Oooh! I have been debating climate science for at least twenty years - I know what is real and what is misinformation. Exxon mostly pulled out of the misinformation funding after it got caught and it’s shareholders stared screaming a couple of the other big oil companies decided that if you can’t beat them join them Nd started greenwashing their image Bu.t the Koch brothers just decided to dig in do their best at hiding the money trail and maintain the income stream from dirty coal

 

Still not peer reviewed science. You started the tread with the claim there is little evidence for global warming and this is the core of my posts in reply

Prove that initial contention or retract it

 

Ah. Does your "climate science" background include a tinfoil hat? Nothing in your posting supports any suggestion a background except a fondness for conspiracy theories. And please try to stay on topic.

 

Discussed in the first post. A review of the second book.

Manufacturing consensus: the early history of the IPCC
Posted on January 3, 2018 by curryja | 385 comments
by Judith Curry Short summary: scientists sought political relevance and allowed policy makers to put a big thumb on the scale of the scientific assessment of the attribution of climate change.

 

What is warming is about 95% of the Earth's surface, all ocean layers, and the troposphere. The warming is quite unusual over previous surface warming
during the past several thousand years.

 

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I have already responded to this post. The Earth's surface would have been in a very long term cooling trend for the past few thousand years, around
0.1 degree C. per 1000 years, if it wasn't for humans altering the atmosphere. That has to do with the fact that the Earth's tilt angle is slowly becoming
more upright. So, we would have already had a peak in sea levels and they should be on a very slow decline.

Even if all previous interglacial periods had higher peaks than the present one, and I am skeptical of that, you cannot conclude that this interglacial
period has not already had its peak.

 

Not everyone agrees, although this discussion is actually off topic..
“Today’s Climate Change Neither Dramatic Nor Unprecedented”
Fake Crisis: Experts Conclude In New Book “Today’s Climate Change Neither Dramatic Nor Unprecedented”
By P Gosselin on 25. April 2021

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An objective look at the climate history throughout the Holocene shows that today’s warming is neither dramatic nor unprecedented.

Hat-tip: Die kalte Sonne

Germans Dr. Klaus-Petr Dahm, Detlef Laves and Wolfgang Merbach have written a new book on today’s climate change: “Der heutige Klimawandel: Eine kritische Analyse des Modells von der menschlich verursachten globalen Erwärmung (Mitteilungen Agrarwissenschaften)” (A Critical Analysis of the Human-Caused Global Warming Model (Communications Agricultural Sciences). . . .

 

Ahhhhhhh! Judith Curry the woman who always looks like she is sitting on a lemon pessary

Now given the sheer numbers of people involved in authoring the IPCC reports and the sheer volume of scientific papers - how come there is only one person saying it is at fault? Keep in mind Curry is also getting a fair income from big oil.

And I will admit that the IPCC did come under political pressure to alter outcomes as it is well documented the Saudis made the IPCC water down the statements to make it look less threatening and that has not had the response from MSM that one would expect

https://www.climatechangenews.com/2...-climate-talks-saudi-arabia-disputes-science/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...sia-and-saudi-arabia-against-climate-science/

So, tell me again what “political pressure” is making scientists paint the climate change picture as worse than it is she purred

 

Not peer reviewed science

 

I read the summary at the "No Tricks Zone" and I don't believe that they are telling the truth. It is contradicted by peer-reviewed scientific evidence
and that was from some agricultural journal.

 

I suggest you read Lewin's book, or at least Curry's discussion.

 

Actually it is. I take it you don't read German.

 

It is a peer-reviewed publication. My point was simply to document the disagreement.

 

I just HAVE to share this article on your Author

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-Will-Only-Reinforce-Pierre-Gosselin-s-Denial

So, is Gosselin even a climate scientist?

 

No and in fact IF you read the rules of this forum..........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?help/terms

 

Gosselin is not the author.

 

Google will translate it for you, and the NTZ post is in English.