The EU should kick Britain out By Steven Hill Sorry, but I've had enough too. Also, quite funny that now Cameron has proclaimed he won't put up a referendum about leaving the EU! UK needs to be kicked out of the EU, ASAP! You could become our Puerto Rico or something.
I pay all my taxes here, not in Germany, the money this country wastes on a failed project hurts my own pockets and that of my kids in the long run.
the entire UK and Eire should be kicked out. the EU needs whiny (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es, not scrappers. if the British Isles get caught up in the impeding collapse of Continental Europe, where will North America stage relief supplies???
... May I suggest to you to have a look in following thread: Ignore America's Europe-bashing -- It's Nothing New:
Like Belgium, the Netherlands is an extremely open economy. We need the EU. Next thing you know you're advocating the abolishment of the BENELUX. Unbelievable.
not my fault you sheep can't keep up with what's left of western civilization. enjoy your time under the sandal of Arab Imperialism.
We do not need the EU to have an open economy, trade can be arranged by bi-literal agreements, same with travel. The idea we need this (*)(*)(*)(*) EU which costs us billions in silly administration, brussel-strassbourg travel, corruption and more is flawed. Norway is doing fine, so does Switzerland and Iceland.
LOL That's really what this is about isn't it? Prestige and national influence and without the EU and that big capital in Brussels, your otherwise insigificant little nation-state would return to it's backwater status. YOU need the EU, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. You must be soiling your underwear at all this because it's obvious much of your personal identity is wrapped up in being part of the EU and if it goes, you'll face a serious identity crisis.
And keep the door so tightly closed, so that not even a mouse can squirm through,on the Muslim 'closet' fanatics from Turkey. It's a Trojan Horse!
I think they should have their EU referendam, If the majority of the British wants to leave the EU then let them have it.
... General remark: Your lack of understanding of the very fundaments of your own adopted home- country is mindblowing. It's clear you were socialized without learning some very basic facts about the Netherlands. I think it's pretty obvious you know very little about the Low Countries at large. Specific remarks: 1° Sure, you don't need the EU to have an open economy. I never said such thing. Nederland, just like Flanders/Belgium, has always been an open economy. We invented modern-day capitalism no less. However, the framework of the EU makes trade far easier. Hence, it functions as a motor of economic growth -- especially for the Low Countries. We export about 75% of all goods made in our countries. 2° Sure, trade can be arranged by bi-lateral agreements. However, in this day and age, the rule "the bigger, the better" is the basic principle. Good luck to make bi-lateral agreements with tough customers like China, India, Russia, Brazil, etc. 3° The EU costs money. Yes. Everything costs money. You need to stop with being the typical Dutch stereotype of being a cheap-skate. The EU -- with 500 million inhabitants -- has less civil servants than e.g. The City of Paris. Go figure. 4° Agreed on Strasbourg-Brussels debacle. Everything should be centralized in Brussels because of precedent in Treaty of Nice. 5° Uhm, if you want to be a slave of EU, like Norway, Iceland and Switzerland, be my guest. I prefer sitting on the negotiation table instead of just copy-paste the descisions of others.
I lived here for 20 years, 20 years ago this country had a better educated, relative wealthy middle class which is currently dwindling. We had no Euro's and free travel yet life was still good. This country is strangled by EU regulations, drained of its money, swamped by Eastern Europeans ( no disrespect by the many Poles who work hard for little) Specific remarks: How does the EU made it easier? I can only think of the Euro, which brought little to nothing in terms of efficiency. Have you ever had a job where you payed in Marks, Francs, Krone and more on a daily basis? It was not difficult or hard say hello to automatic systems. the VAT rules are nice and easy when regulated by the EU, but once more you do not need a EU to create those rules. We do not need the EU to have free trade, welcome to the world of agreements between Nations, you might want to look at Easy enough, the Netherlands is the 8th economy of the world everyone wants a piece. Actually in terms of agriculture is would be far more easier. the EU costs money and contributes nothing, hence it is a waste of money You have yet to tell me what actual use the EU has. also the City of paris has workers who I see work, the EU has yet to produce anything besides layer upon layer of rules. I find the money argument far better. They are hardly slaves, and can have their own agenda without interference of the EU, we cannot even bloody deport criminals from abroad if they do not state their country due to those blasted EU rules.
It's a good article, but I hope they don't kick the UK out, however much it deserves it: we are close enough to barbarism as it is, and the thought of being locked up with the choir-boy fanciers and other English upper-class weirdoes forever is dreadful to contemplate.
False. About 20 years,ago, Western-Europeans were far less wealthy. Nowadays we live a far superior lyfestyle than 20 years ago. Also, the Netherlands isn't being strangled by EU regulations -- that's just extreme-right propaganda. Neither is your country being swamped by Eastern Europeans -- and that is saying nothing really. There is nothing wrong with Eastern Europeans. I'm on the brink of just ignoring you because you aren't aware of very, very, very (!) basic principles. It safeguards fair competition, which is of the highest significance. Typical example is that of the "noisy lawnmower". Stop beating your silly little orange drum. Netherlands would be runned over completely. LMAO! Dutch agriculture would dissappear in 5 years without EU. Epic falsehood. The actual use of the EU is that it enriches and safe-guards the welfare and well-being of all European citizens. Well, maybe you spend a little less time on extreme-right hate-blogs, and read something about European politics. False. These EEA countries are the embodiement of modern-day vassals: they have no say whatsoever in the decision-making, but in order to economically survive they need to adopt all of EU-rules. Deporting criminals outside EU has everything to do with bi-lateral agreements a memberstate has closed with third countries. Besides, what are you complaining about? Belgium is renting Dutch prisons to put her criminals in. Although this wouldn't be neccessary if we too could effectively deport non-European criminals to their home-countries. This, however, has everything to do with the unwillingness of third countries.
False we know have a large top layer, a shrinking middle class and a large underclass. Welcome to the EUSSR. If you told 30 years ago we would have food banks and stamps in 2011 they would mock you. Dont need EU for this. Germany needs us, we do fine. We could spend a fraction of the EU money we give to fund and help all dutch agriculture, hell we could many every farmer a millionaire. Could you tell me where the German and Dutch middle-class is going? http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3311197,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,591615,00.html You have yet to give me a pro EU argument. Norway Iceland and Switzerland do fine without the EU... Bogus. Switzerland banned minarets despite EU pressure, Norway deported 200 Somali's despite EU pressure. Both ignore the EU when they disagree. In most cases EU legislation stops deportation. Rubbish, also there would be no space in Dutch Prisons if we had a functioning system where murderers get more then 3 years, and rapists dont get out free. Wont blame the EU for this for once. The unwillingness of 3rd country's is something the EU could be useful for, yet they won't do it. Ask Morocco and Turkey to accept their criminals, if they disagree justs stop all aid they will buckle within a week.
False. The middle class isn't shrinking in total size, on the contrary. But, indeed, it is shrinking relatively speaking because of a large influx of e.g. immigrants from the South. Then again, this is just my assestment. Food banks have always excisted, although there is a greater need for them today because of stricter social and immigration policies enacted by both of our governments. LMAO! Yes you do, -- please. Among Europe-bashers, populists, the extreme-right and other scum, it's common to say that "Europe even regulates the noise a grass mower can make". Of course the entire story isn't told. If Europe wouldn't regulate e.g. the noise of grass mowers the following would happen: There is a Dutch company that makes grass mowers and a French one. The Dutch ones are way more expensive that the French ones, but the French ones way make more noise. In a scheme of the Dutch government to protect the Dutch company and to safe-guard Dutch jobs, the Dutch Parliaments passes a law that grass mowers can only make x amount of noise -- hence banning the French law mowers. => This is the so-called "hidden unfair competition". And of course, we need the EU for this. National bodies and entities aren't the solution -- they are the problem! You truely are clueless -- there are enough farmers and space all across Europe to re-place Dutch agriculture. An agreement will be blocked for sure, e.g. Belgian Boerenbond will be estatic since the Dutch competiton among Gouda-cheese makers will be eliminated. Yes,... you could throw money at them. By the gazillions for all I care! The question remains: who are you going to sell them to? The EU (500 million consumers) will be blocked for Dutch produce, remember? Small assignment: Google "koopkracht" and you"ll see that real purchasing power has risen by about 40% between 1990 and 2010. Or about 2% per year (inflation included of course!). ... You don't get it, do you? They do fine because they are in the EER. They are only allowed in this EER when they adopt EU legislation, they gey an "opt-out" on some stuff, e.g. fisheries (in the case of Iceland). They are completely dependent on the EU: our will is their command. Who the F cares about minarets? I'm talking about real issues here. Aha! Indeed, "in most cases" -- since there is something like "vrijheid van vestiging" in the EU. Please, stop spinning -- a clear seperation needs to be made between EU-citizens and non-EU-citizens. You can't (it isn't allowed, thank god!) deport a Portugese, you can deport a Kenyan. You're such a right-wing stereotype! It's funny! As if stopping aid to e.g. Morrocco will solve one thing? Besides, this issue is far (!) more complicated as it seems!
Janpor, aka son of Texpat, it's not very British to leave the rats alone on the sinking ship, so we'll probably have to stay and do the decent thing, which is take control. We are the only ones with half a brain, as you know and it plainly can't be left in Belgium. There is a complete lack of leadership and that can only be rectified by siting the EU HQ in UK. Now step aside. Your banks are crumbling.
If the EU kicks out Britain, where will poor British pions go to find work? If Britain abolishes the EU labor laws and outlaws unions to follow an American style culture, where will British people go to actually get paid for their work? And finally, if a British person wants a holiday/vacation, will he be stupid enough to expect to keep it like it is legislated today, when all EU control is gone and London City / Wall Street write all labor laws? It is amazing, how quick and eager European people are to copy everything from us Americans, looks like Europeans love to punish themselves.
Well, if there's anything you should be copying it is our cellular providers. What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why are citizens of Schengen Agreement states charged roaming fees when they are within the Schengen Area? It is also equally absurd that I can get, for example, Orange service in France and Orange service in Spain, but I'm still considered roaming even when I'm using the same cellular provider (Orange) in both of those countries. You're telling me that people can move all over Europe, but their phones can't? Good lord... Apologies for the slightly random soapbox, but there are a few things you guys could learn from us.
