Evidences for a Recent Dating for Adam

This presents another way of looking at the Creation story in that THIS man was made in God's image...

http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/adam.html

The Bible repeatedly says that Adam and his immediate offspring were farmers

Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and too keep it."

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken."

Genesis 4:2 And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."

Here is a review of some of the findings by archaeologists concerning farming:


"The great majority of the cultivated plants of the world trace their origin to Asia. Out of 640 important cultivated plants, about 500 originated in Southern Asia. In Asia alone we have established five of the principle regions of cultivated plants.... The fifth region of origin in Asia is the Southwestern Asiatic centre and includes Asia Minor, Trans-Caucasia, Iran and Western Turkmenistan. This region is remarkable, first of all, for its richness in numbers of species of wheat resistant to different diseases...There is no doubt that Armenia is the chief home of cultivated wheat. Asia Minor and Trans-Caucasia gave origin to rye which is represented here by a great number of varieties and species....

Our studies show definitely that Asia is not only the home of the majority of modern cultivated plants, but also of our chief domesticated animals such as the cow, the yak, the buffalo, sheep, goat, horse, and pig...The chief home of the cow and other cattle, the Oriental type of horse, the goat and the sheep is specifically Iran....

As the result of a brilliant work of Dr. Sinskaya, the discovery was recently made that the home of alfalfa, the world's most important forage crop, is located in Trans-Caucasia and Iran....

From all these definitely established facts the importance of Asia as the primary home of the greatest majority of cultivated plants and domesticated animals is quite clear."

(Vavilov, N. , "Asia: Source of Species" in Asia, February 1937, p. 113. )
More recent studies conducted by Melinda A Zeder and Brian Hesse (Science 287 (2000) 2254-57) place the initial domestication of goats to the Zargos Mountains at about 10,000 years ago. In more recent studies they have adjusted the dates slightly and now place domestication of sheep and goats at 11,000 years ago, pigs at 10,500, and cattle at 10,000. "The earlier dates mean that animals were domesticated at much the same time as crop plants, and bear on the issue of how this ensemble of new agricultural species – the farming package known as the Neolithic revolution – spread from the Near East to Europe." And Manfred Heun's (Science 278 (1997) 1312-14) studies indicate that large scale wheat cultivation began from 8,000 to 9,000 years ago near the Karacadag Mountains. Both areas are very near where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers come close together.

"The cradle of agriculture generally has been placed in the Jordan Valley of the southern Levant (today's Israel and Jordan). But work by Simcha Lev-Yadun of Israel's Agricultural Research Organization and colleagues suggest the first farms may have been farther north, between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in what is today northeastern Turkey and northern Syria.

Wild progenitors of the main Neolithic founder crops (einkorn wheat, emmer wheat, barley, lentil, pea, chickpea, bitter vetch, and flax) are found together only in this small core area of the Fertile Crescent.

Lev-Yadun reports that wild chickpea especially is extremely rare, yet it was a staple crop of Neolithic life 10,000 years ago. Agriculture, therefore, probably began in an area where chickpea is native. Archaeological evidence shows that the earliest known farming settlements of the Fertile Crescent were in this core area. Also, the limited genetic variability of these crops implies that they were domesticated only once — rather than by several different cultures at roughly the same time. Evidence of domesticated crops in the core area dates to about 10,000 years ago, while the earliest signs of farming elsewhere are about 9,300 years ago.

Neolithic sites discovered in the core area indicate that a society with plenty of food thrived there. In sites such as Cayonu, Novali Cori, and Gobekli Tepe, impressive architecture, images, and artifacts have been found. Settlement sites are also larger in this area than many others of the same time in other parts of the Fertile Crescent. ..." (From "The Cradle of Agriculture? New Evidence Moves the World's First Farmers into Turkey" by Reagan Duplisea, http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/ articles/ 060100-turkeyfarm.shtml)

 

Genesis 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east,
that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.

"It is known that agriculture spread from the Middle East to Europe during the Neolithic period about 12,000 years ago, but for many years archeologists have debated how this occurred. Was it due to the movement of people or to the movement of ideas?

Previous genetic analysis of people living today suggests a migration - that the people moved - but critics have questioned this view. The latest study reinforces evidence of a migration in which people brought their ideas and lifestyle with them."(from http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases /2002/09/ 020911072622.htm)

Genesis 11:9... "the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth; and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of the earth.

"A family tree of Indo-European languages suggests they began to spread and split about 9,000 years ago. The finding hints that farmers in what is now Turkey drove the language boom - and not later Siberian horsemen, as some linguists reckon. ...

Around this time, farming techniques began to spread out of Anatolia - now Turkey - across Europe and Asia, archaeological evidence shows." (From "Language tree rooted in Turkey" by John Whitfield, http://www.nature.com/ nsu/nsu_pf/ 031124/ 031124-6.html) (see more)

http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/adam.html

 

More opinions and private interpretations of scripture... which amounts to even more opinions. In a court of law, a judge would inquire of those authors "in your opinion, are the facts ......?" Though this is not a 'court of law' it is a 'court of public opinion'.

 

Is it really plausible that mankind made the step from hunting/gathering to farming all by itself? I don't know if it was a divine intervntion or what, but it sure looks like some intervention. (And not a good one at that.)

 

Just scientists and scholars and archeologists trying to reconcile facts with scripture.

Of course I realize they aren't electricians.

 

Why would it require divine intervention?

They could observe and they shared experience. They could think. I am sure that once someone planted the first batch of barley seeds or chick peas seeds.. even accidentally..and watched them sprout.. everyone in the tribe caught on instantly.

God did make intelligent creatures.

Imagine the first man who saw lighting strike a tree and catch fire.. Imagine how brave he was to creep out of his cave and pull that burning branch to the mouth of his cave to keep maurading animals away at night.

He was afraid of fire.. and already knew that animals were. That's a technological advance that would have caught on instantly and spread far.

 

Interesting articles. If it weren't for my current schedule, I'd be able to read it all right now, but I'll make time tomorrow night.

 

Thanks, Mason..........

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...near-dead-sea-11-000-yrs-old.html#post4850738

 

Very nice Margot ! I appreciate these interesting threads that you post,very interesting,thank you.

 

You are very welcome............ and Merry Christmas.

We also know that horses were domesticated in Arabia and that they wore bridals.. which means they weren't for FOOD..

http://www.politicalforum.com/histo...4561-horses-domesticated-9-000-years-ago.html

 

No reconciliation involved. It is scientists and scholars and archaeologists trying to disprove the scripture.

I am not an 'electrician' either. So what point are you attempting to make with that comment?

 

Incorpeal, I wouldn't say it is an attack on the scripture, but maybe an attempt to align events to a truer timeline. I'd say with the translations (mistranslations) and the changes of use and intent of words there has to be some discrepancies with the timeline.

 

Actually if you had bothered to READ the article.. they are trying to PROVE Genesis.

I know you are a Computer Engineer now.

Scientists have pushing these dates back since 1937.. Its NOT new.. they have simply uncovered additional evidence.

 

No amount of research by scientists, using temporal equipment will ever be PROOF of Genesis. Reason: Genesis is more than just a chronology of events during the 'creation'. .... it is also loaded with spiritual information which definitely cannot be proven with scientific, man-made equipment.

Did that information resolve any of the issues of the subject of our discussion other than my level of education (which to me and the teachings of the Bible amounts to a dung heap)?

So the numbers are in effect 'fluid', not constant, ever changing? You might as well just come right out and say they are 'arbitrary' or admit the validity of what Einstein said in regard to numbers in their relation to reality.

 

Yes.. Genesis is didactic literature.. its meant to teach far more than history..

Isn't that the point after all, whether one is a Christian or not?

 

adamu

 

Ha... you must be a student of Samuel Noah Kramer the great Sumerian scholar.

 

I suppose you could say that is one of the purposes of the Bible and in particular the book of Genesis. It is meant to teach... It is not intended to translated in a hundred differing variations according to how you feel or by what makes you feel good.

 

That's the point.. This information isn't about "Feeeeelings"... its about archeology... and POSSIBLE interpretations of the hard evidence.

 

"POSSIBLE interpretations"? Get serious. There are as many possible interpretations as there are people living on the earth or that have lived on the earth. Which very pointedly shows that private interpretations means little... even if the interpretation comes from someone that is held in esteem. Esteem is also a subjective thing that is sometimes motivated by 'Feeeeeelilngs'.

 

Please explain how, then, y-chromosomal "Adam" then lived 141,000+/-15,000 years ago,(source), while mitochondrial "Eve" lived 200,000 years ago (source).

 

Sorry.. I am not a geneticist..

 

Because in both cases, the numbers are arbitrarily derived.

 

You ever read William Devers?

 

Why should I? Is his opinion better than what the authors of the Bible have stated?