Evolution is a joke part X

"Yes" is the answer I get to all of my questions when I reread your post. Care to confirm directly? You believe that a chimp, millions of years ago, was infected by a dozen or so retroviruses that all worked their proviruses into his/her sex cells. And a human, around that same time, had the exact same thing happen. And all living chimps are descended from that chimp, as are all humans descended from that one human. And if I edit a wikipedia article to say whatever I want it to say, you'll believe it. Awesome.

 

Huh? I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate you understand ERVs. I'm not going to address all the nonsense you posted.


As to my claim that biology terms aren't life, I was kidding. I was just doing what you did. Remember when you prevaricated about virii not being life and wouldn't listen to 30 exasperated posts telling you that you had it all wrong? No was just doing what you did to mock and ridicule you.

Now please answer the question I asked but you screamed I didn't ask until I proved it but then you said I didn't and asked for an apology but then I did prove it and then you kind of just dropped it. That question. No prevaricating.

 

What... No... That is exactly opposite as what I stated...

What they are saing is smoke and mirrors is what I stated... Please then map out the other 8% of EVR's in our genome back ancestrally please...

 

Neither smoke nor mirrors are alive. Please refrain from using them in discussion or I will report you so hard.

 

"Should be considered"??? Isn't that an issue of WHO is doing the considering and where THEY set the bar? 'Life" is an issue for clerics and philosophers, not for scientists, and "should" just doesn't get it all. And I have yet to see a cleric or a philosopher be right on anything. They are worse than sociologists.

 

I thought you said that there were 7.

 

Nice of you to use EVR’s after I posted what they are called in biology… No worries – the readers are reading… the devoted followers.

First what is a virii… Like I stated – use biology terms or at least Anglish. And a virus isn’t life…

What does that have to do with biology- evolution- or the question I asked you?

 

REPPED!!!!

That was funny... But, there are conditions on what is life and what is not. A virsu does not fit these conditions...

 

WHAT?!?!?! Are you drinking?


Question: How does my example dealing with EVR’s differ from that which is said by biologist saying it’s common descent? Please use biology terms with examples....

 

Okay... I'm done playing with children...

 

If I had used the term EVR you would have asked if it was Swedish. Now you've had them explained, even though you don't understand you at least can recognize the shape of the letters with tour lizard brain.

 

Exactly. Thank you.

 

I will continue about the gibberish of EVR’s. First I will link this site: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0001026

ERV-K in primates
Herein, we described several new complete ERV-K elements in the genomes of the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and rhesus monkey (Macaca mulatta) and compared them to those found in humans. We show, for the first time, that the demographic history of the host may be a major factor determining the dynamics of an endogenous retrovirus. Despite the draft quality of the rhesus genome assembly, we found many complete proviruses that have a marked similarity in their fluctuating demographic history to that of humans, with both these species distinct from that observed in the chimpanzee (Figure 3). In particular, we found a distinct group of 13 RhERV-K, which diverged around 12 MYBP that were absent in both humans and chimpanzees. Moreover, there was no evidence of RhERV-K amplification caused by chromosomal duplication. On the other hand, both Homo and Pan had many closely related ERV-K, some of which had several duplicated counterparts. Important differences between CERV-K and HERV-K were also evident. For example, four CERV-K where found on the Y chromosome, three of which were found within an apparently low complexity repeat region, as a consequence of DNA duplication (i.e., CERV-K “Y chromosome quartet” in Figure 1). Interestingly, the human Y chromosome has the same repeat region without traces of retrovirus integration, suggesting that elements have been purged along the human lineage.
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Unlike HERV-K and RhERV-K, the chimpanzee ERV-K demographic signal was characterized by a far larger effective population size. Assuming that host dynamics impacts on ERV-K numbers, the recent flat curve of Pan skyline after 6 MYBP agrees with the lack of evidence for severe bottlenecks in the Pan lineage and a 3.2 times larger effective ancestral population size [31]. The latter could have facilitated the maintenance of a higher number of integrated elements observed in the chimpanzee genome, because of a weaker effect of genetic drift, although the wide HPD values caution against over-interpretation.
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Because LTR comparisons indicate that ERV-K have been integrating into primate DNA for at least 40 million years, the assumption that all ERV-K were sampled today would entail a far greater systematic error.


Questions?

 

Apology accepted. No need to keep apologizing - I get it, you were wrong.

 

But viruses are not life. Why are you discussing them in this thread.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16830071

Several families of endogenous retrovirus (ERV) exist in copious numbers in the genomes of primate species. Therefore, we undertook a systematic search for endogenous retrovirus sequences from the ERV-K family, comparing across both human (Homo sapiens) and chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) genomes. Using conserved motifs of the ERV-K as query we identified and characterized 76 complete ERV-K elements, 54 in human (HERV-K), 34 of which were described previously, and 21 in the chimpanzee (CERV-K). Phylogenetic analysis using coding regions and LTRs showed the existence of two main branches. Group I was the most heterogeneous and had an average integration time of 18.3 MYBP, using rates ranging from 1.5 to 4.0 x 10(-9) s/s/y (substitution per site per year). Group O/N integrated around 19.4 MYBP and nested Group N integrated about 14 MYBP. We found evidence for strong positive selection on the gag, pol and env coding regions and for A/T hypermutation. Our data suggest that the endogenous elements were possibly involved in chromosomal rearrangements and retained a great deal of information from their active stage, most likely as a consequence of host interactions. This study also contributes to the annotation effort of both human and chimpanzee genomes.

 

I don't think you read this.

 

I think that is a good place to start. What those sites describe is that the falsehood of EVR’s within a genome is interesting yes, but is not a factor of or evidence supporting evolution. I will be more than happy to discuss on Monday. Have your questions or discussion ready. I will explain it when I get in, I try to come in early to get out all responses and explanations. This gives the Google Ninja’s a chance to get informed about this.

Also, I know children are allowed on this site and I have to apologize when I actually “engage” them. I shouldn’t. I will try to do better in the future and keep this thread on topic and try to keep those who bring absolutely nothing except Peanut Gallery comments out. If you do not stay on topic, post dealing with the topics of evolution that are being discussed or posted, or are just being childish you will be ignored. No worries – been three years. If you are doing this, you are not the first, nor will you be the last. I will respond to what I just posted or questions on it, but I am over 40 and don’t like to discuss biology with children… including my own!

Have a good weekend…

 

This is not from the Berkeley site so it is not science. Nice try.

 

I'm a Leo. But why is that even relevant?

 

I'm an Aquarian, a man of the new age following that of Pisces

 

Clearly a man of wealth and taste.

 

I gotta admit that I try to respect all life. But I don't mind stepping on viruses.

 

Something to look at... Smile Mold - a large growing single cell organism... It has been used to pilot robots!!! You might want to think twice on stepping on viruses - they might put them in the next robot and it remembered you smoked it's relatives!!!

Smile Molds are awesome - you might want to check them out and read up on them. Pretty incredible lifeform there!!!

 

Indeed. Have sympathy for me!