Evolution is a joke Pt. VIII

Because using “a” is proper English… He stated in two links that a cluster is not multicellular, but shows evidence of “becoming” multicellular…

Apoptosis is irrelevant for declaring yeast is multicellular… You do know that right? But, to humor the people reading, why don’t you quote something where he states what you’re stating… Also, wrong again on Volvox… You are getting sloppy again Burz!! http://9e.devbio.com/article.php?ch=18&id=302 - Through a series of cell movements resembling gastrulation, the embryonic Volvox invert and are eventually released from the parent. The somatic cells of the parent, lacking gonidia, undergo senescence and undergo programmed cell death, while the juvenile Volvox mature. The entire asexual cycle takes 2 days.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470514573.ch2/summary - Half-way through their maturation, juveniles hatch out of the parenteral spheroid, whereupon parental somatic cells undergo programmed death while juvenile gonidia prepare for a new round of reproduction.

OOOPS!!!!! Looks like you were wrong again… Burz… you should know me by now – I gave you volvox for a reason, to do your research – you didn’t… now you are just in a deeper whole than what you were beforehand… I do suggest you just drop this before it becomes EPIC, because that’s where it’s headed… I like you, but you are spiraling out of control trying to prove point after point that is just not there!

No, that is just breaking off a cluster, no cells were reproduced in any way… You know that… you are really getting sloppy in your attempt to save face…

Just did above…

 

There are readers here… so why don’t you explain what you are posting here… Or do you even know?

Okay… Looked at both, and none say that, like 2A and 2B, the same thing… So, go ahead and look again and find out what you are looking for that confirms your story with 2A and 2B… Your Google Ninja skills will not help you now because you have to know the material in order to post something about the topic, which you don’t or your sites are just going to come out like these two… not even remotely close to the topic…

 

Those two articles use the same quote. He said it once, it was just reported multiple times. I'll ask again, is it more likely that he you misunderstood him, or that he contradicted himself?

That's the division of labor he's talking about. Some cells stop growing and some cells die in order for the entire cluster to reproduce.

You're right about apoptosis. I don't know that much about Volvox and couldn't find anything further explaining it.

The reproduction that Volvox goes through is what makes it in between a unicellular and multicellular organism. So, now that you agree apoptosis for the purpose of reproducing a cluster is a step in the evolution towards multicellularity, you can admit that the yeast evolved toward multicellularity. Right?

 

Key word – “quote”… he was quoted saying that… I did not misunderstand “A cluster isn’t multicellular”… Do you think that means something different?

I know what he’s talking about, I don’t know what you are talking about though… You know for a fact that you stated that this yeast replicates/reproduces via programmed cell death which is so incorrect… you used worms and whatever else to try to prove your case and I proved you wrong on everything you put forward, and now you are changing it to what? Let me know, in full, what you are changing it to know so I can prove it wrong yet again…

Sheesh Burz… I’ve been saying this for like weeks!!!



The reproduction that Volvox goes through is what makes it in between a unicellular and multicellular organism. So, now that you agree apoptosis for the purpose of reproducing a cluster is a step in the evolution towards multicellularity, you can admit that the yeast evolved toward multicellularity. Right? [/QUOTE]
Toward being the key word… yes. I believe in what Ratliff stated. It’s not multicellular by no means, it’s a colony and acts as such. Colonies, as in all unicellular colonies including yeast (that is why I posted about the notties), can be looked at as an example of how, if evolution is real, unicellular might make the leap to multicellular. I never disagreed with that. I just know that the difference between colony and multicellular and was trying to explain that the yeast is not multicellular, but a colony.


Now problems I have - yeast isn’t even CLOSE to Volvox… apoptosis for the purpose of reproducing/replicating is “not” a step toward evolution. Apoptosis is a phenomenon that is yet to be understood fully. I can’t hypothesize on that, because I refuse to guess… guessing has no place in science in my opinion. But, when chemical responses happen within a cluster to act a one entity, I would say “that” was a step. Funny – you nor anyone arguing FOR yeast stated anything about that, which I found quite funny since that would be something significant!

But, to wrap this up… Burz – you got sloppy way too often in this discussion… way too often… You got me dealing with the nervous system, which I don’t remember much, but other than that – you’ve made way too many mistakes. The yeast isn’t multicellular like Ratliff stated, but can be viewed as such, but as I stated, Volvox has been around for like 200 million years and reproduces/replicates, on average, 3 times a day and that doesn’t go well for evolution now does it…?

Uhhh – for those who don’t know the answer to that? It’s “NO”… it doesn’t hold well for evolution…

 

"monobrachial centric fusions" is just fancy talk for chromosome fusion.

Ahh yes, if you cant beat em in debate, throw the ad homs.

Fact is, the Beaver does show Chromosome fusions, which easily explains why one specie of beaver has 48 chromosomes while the other only has 40.

BTW: The Beaver doesnt have the Chimps Chromosome 2A and 2B Chromosomes.

 

Why are you continuing this thread if you believe the yeast evolved?

 

Becoming a colony of algae, of yeast, of snotties is not evolving... again I will say this... IF (please I don't want to submit the high school link that explains the word "if" and how it's used like I had to with rs199)... wait...

WHAT THE!!!

Ohh!!! You sneaky little son of a... I know what your doing Burz... Your trying to hold on!! You are in great hopes this thread gets closed soon so you don't have to admit defeat!!! You are playing silly games with words and posting getting the numbers higher so it will be flagged for a Moderator to close this thread!!!

YOU SNEAKY SON OF A!!!!

Admit you were wrong!!! You were wrong about PCD!!! Admit it!!! AND Hell no yeast didn't evolve... It became a colony just like we already knew it was capable of doing like algae...

 

Okay, now explain how that justifies the fusion of 2A and 2B with these other species since the links don’t explain it…

I have to ask because I can’t see how you have such difficulty with the English language… Is English your native language?

The beaver shows chromosome fusion? At what points? Your typing, but I see nothing to back up these outlandish statements… What do you say again? OH THAT RIGHT!!!

“GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!”

Use it Ninja!!!

 

YOu do realize that the fusion of Chimps Chrosomes 2A and 2b ONLY applies to Humans right?

I gave you links - go read them.

 

HA HA HAA!!!! You said the “the fusion of chimp chromo 2A and 2B only applies to humans…” and the funny thing… I bet you don’t see anything wrong with that statement do you? Which even makes it MORE funny!!! Do you even know what is wrong with your little post there rs199?

I did, and I read nothing… (I will stress this) absolutely nothing about Beaver fused chromosomes 15, 18, 30, 26 or whatever… I have no clue what chromosomes (as you said) are fused, because it never says anything about the fused chromosomes!! So… Again, how is Chromo 2 evidence of evolution since in the “real” world this is not the case dealing with life that do not share the same amount of chromosomes.

Now, you can always do an opossum like Freeware and just leave without looking foolish, or you can keep posting… I think that Freeware’s bailout was cowardice, but effective as nobody will question his knowledge on the subject since we don’t know… Now if you continue and I, for the umpteenth time, show you have less than high school knowledge of biology, well, people who read will make their own assumptions on you…

Just sayin’…

 

You know exactlt what I meant. Yes or no, you do realize that human chromosome 2 and the fusions of what amounts to the fusion of Chimpanzees Chromosoem 2A and 2B ONLY APPLIES TO HUMANS.

DO you realize this? Yes or no?

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The articles stated:

Do you know the bold means? It means the fusion of Chromosomes. If you want to know which ones, then look it up instead of whinning "The article does tell me which ones!!!!!" Ohhboohwho. Look it up yourself.

It would be refreshing if you actually had some intellectual honesty now and then

 

H AH AHAAAA!!!!

I thought it impossible... But, it isn't... you just did it again!!! UN-BELIEVE-ABLE....

Come on rs199... Fix what you posted, because it's all KINDS OF wrong!!!

That's fine... it's hypothesized since they can't find them... is that your evidence? That you say that some Gremlins stole your socks... Means nothing in the science world where we deal with facts... I know - in your religion all you need is the wind to blow right to make your pants rise. But, sorry Squiggie, YOU stated something that isn't true, I called you on it, and now - prove it.. You said it was true, I know it's not... So, as we can see that the fused Chromosome in Homosapien Sapien is 2A and 2B, what is it in Beavers... Which Chromosomes are fused?

I didn't post this retardedness - you did... now admit you are wrong or prove me wrong by giving me the chromosomes that are fused! It's that easy!!

See what happens when you start discussing things you know nothing about? When you have to go on your knowledge of the subject instead of using your Google Ninja skills?

So, either disappear, post a link, or ****! (just learned that one in an email the other day!!)

 

Im still waiting for a yes or no answer.

Again, if you are too lazy to lookup the information yuorself (as too which exact chromosomes were fused), is not my problem.

But I will ask this, does it matter which ones? No it dioesn't. So we have yet another smoke screen by DBM aka FDS because he has been shown to be wrong again.

 

First, let me first point out your FAIL… I like it when people repeat their mistakes over and over… it makes the victory that much sweeter!!!

Humans have the fused chromosome of the chimpanzee Chromosome 2A and 2B… (please learn how to spell chromosome – I don’t you’ve spelled it right from the beginning of time). Your FAIL is that Chimps, Gorillas, Tangs and Humans all have Chromo 2A and 2B. it’s not the chimpanzee’s chromo’s my high school biology student. The whole ape clade has this, and I stated that in my post dealing with dogs… But, of course, since you have no clue on absolutely anything dealing with biology – you just don’t get it!!! You’re like 7-Up dealing with biology knowledge- never had it… never will…

So no… the “chimpanzee’s chromosome” only applies to humans is not correct - your post is retarded and you have no clue what you’re talking about…

I am not lazy and have supplied several links when I say something that will back me up. Do you know why? Because I don’t want to look like an idiot when questioned on why I posted that. So, if I say that something isn’t multicellular and is a colony I am going to give my reason why and post up links. But, if you think people reading this think you are intelligent because you can say, “I saw a pig fly” and when asked where, you say, “Go find the flying pig yourself” you are sadly mistaken. So, when people say or post retardation – you get responses like this:

Your post is retarded and you have no evidence to use Chromosome 2 as any evidence since you can’t provide any for the other species. So I suggest you stop posting idiotic fantasies please…

 

Is this what you meant? Wow, I meant it in as compared to species not of the Ape Clade.. YOU are the one asking about Chromosomes 2A and 2B when talking about Beavers. Post #502

So lets ask this question one more time: you do realize that the Chromosomes 2A and 2B that are part of the Great Ape Clade and human chromosome 2 (Which is the fusion of 2A and 2B) do not reside outside the Great Ape Clade right? You do realize this right?

Because I cannot figure out why you were asking about 2A and 2B while answering about the Fusions of the Beavers Chromosomes.

I have posted 2 links that says the differences between the two types of beavers is due to Chromosomes being fused. You have posted nothing to refute this. All you ask is which ones. Which exact ones are irrelevant and could be looked up if you really wanted to. Instead you waste your time with ad homs

 

Try looking at the number on that post. This thread is getting locked the second a mod notices it, regardless of whether anyone keeps posting in it or not. Hilarious, though, that you accuse me of the same thing you were doing 60 or so posts ago when you were splitting your arguments between multiple posts and resisting my attempts to merge them into one.

Anyway, I said "you can admit that the yeast evolved towards multicellularity. Right?" And you said "Toward being the key word ... yes." So you can admit that the yeast evolved. Discussion over.

 

No... IF (if you mess this up again, I will give you the high school English lesson I gave rs199) there is a process that is evolution, I would say that colonies is a step “TOWARD” multicellular evolution… If you are having troubles understanding (which I know you are not) I think we understand…

But, the fact that Volvox has been around for 200 million years kind of defeats that whole evolution thing now doesn’t it?

Oh – in that blog you left for me to read (I swear readers – people post stuff and never read if, not saying Burz didn’t I find this happens often) there is a guy, ST I believe that hands Ratfill his behind and talks, as I stated that this colony is nothing more than it doing what it’s ancestors did being multicellular… It’s a good read also, might want to check it out…

 

I told you that you had no clue… I love it when I get to send one of Graspings Sergeants an EPIC FAIL – brings back memories!!

First off – the example of Chromosome 2A and 2B is not whatever your posting about this monobrachial centric fusion. So, I will hand you your first FAIL!!!

Second - monobrachial centric fusion is a pipe dream, it’s a hypothesis… One of the simplest models of chromosomal speciation is speciation by monobrachial centric fusion. This model is based on the assumption that a sterility barrier can develop between populations, in which fixed centric fusions show monobrachial homology, i.e. share only one chromosome arm. However, studies aimed at delineating intermediate stages of transition to reproductive isolation are lacking. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1095-8312.2011.01645.x/abstract FAIL!!!

That’s two…

From the first site:

The complex multivalent formations that would occur in meiosis of a hypothetical hybrid would be expected to produce unbalanced gametes and postmating reproductive isolation. Thus, neither species was derived from the other; rather, they likely were derived from isolated populations in which some of the acrocentrics fused independently to produce monobrachial homology

FAIL!!! That’s three!


From the second site:

The two beavers species differ in their number of chromosomes… The two species can also be readily distinguished by alleles of the esterase-D locus… FAIL!!! Even their Alleles are not matching up with this “identical fustion” as you stated in Chromosome 2A and 2B…

More than 3 FAIL’s you have graduated to EPIC FAIL!!! Want to try for more?

 

BUT WAIT READERS THERE'S MORE!!!!

So, why is this Chromo 2 your evidence of evolution? Because you have believed in your religious nut cases and now are subject to Google Searching for answers when YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN RIGHT - EVER dealing with evolution? You've been here since day one, and you tell me when ever - you got something right? EVER!!!

You rattle off crap and have no clue what your talking about... What are we going to hear next from your idiotic posts, "Sasquatch is real and is an example of evolution!" Is that what we have to look forward to in the next thread? "The Loch Ness Monster was real and why we can't find it anymore is because it evolved!"... Are we going to be seeing some retardation like that?

Just amuse us, and go back and find a post (in about 5,000 posts) one that you were correct dealing with biology...

 

While saying you have fail over and over and even putting them in big bold letters is mighty impressive, the fact of the matter is, you cannot even answer one simple question:

Instead you keep mixing up the difference between the fusion of Human Chromosome 2 and the fusions of the Beavers.

Good bye DBM aka FDS. I should have know better to even try and show you the errors of yours ways.

 

so if we ditch evolution or raise other idea up as equally believable what’s the other options

so far i got life always existed as it has some how

or each kind of living thing just popped into existence on its own

 

YES!!! Once again, you post something you have no idea about, and then when I hand you are crapper you run and hide!!! EPIC FAIL!!! That’s what that is called… Feel it rs199?

You posted links that didn’t agree with your argument!!! How the (*)(*)(*)(*) can you post something that idiotic? Really!! You state that Chromo 2 is identical to 2A and 2B (which it isn’t, but I understand your limited knowledge of biology) then post something about a “hypothetical” situation, which translates to a fairytale, then something that states that not only are the chromosomes different, but also the alleles are different!!!! Really??!?! Could you post anything more ridiculous for your argument!!!

Then you top it off with – “ difference between the fusion of Human Chromosome 2 and the fusions of the Beavers.. What the hell does that mean? The Beavers “fused” together like Chromo 2? Really?... Did the beavers have like five (5) legs… how many eyes did the fused beavers have? What is that called when fusion happens with “WHOLE” animals…? Because IF this happened, not like your sentence, but to provide evidence to your ridiculous posts, it would probably read different. But, now I see that you were referring to “whole” beavers fusing together… My mistake!!

I actually thought that you MIGHT post something half intelligent, like “the difference between human chromosome 2 and the fusion of beaver Chromosome 14 and 16”… See how you are comparing chromo’s in two different species? Ummm – yea… You deserve the EPIC FAIL!!! You piled up four (4) FAIL’s in on single post… I think that tied Graspings record!! Then proceeded to post links that went against everything you posted!!! But, that is just the beginning…

You posted that link of the yeast colony and bailed out because you didn’t read the post and saw that Lopey posted that the person giving the experiment didn’t say it was “multicellular”… That was nice… Burz shouldn’t have jumped on that sinking ship. I told Burz that you have never been right – EVER and to think that this “one time” out of a Miracle you suddenly know biology you were actually going to have something worthy of a discussion… was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!! Burz, should have known from the get-go though since he did experiments in college (if he is a biology major)… You on the other hand – all you have is Google…. And since you don’t read what you post, just makes it even that much more pathetic…

 

I have no idea... God, Aliens... who knows... but evolution is the "last" thing I will even think happened since it is not close to what we see on this planet today...

 

since the OP opener cannot sustain any of his arguments, let alone 'evolve' with knowledge, can these thread chains, all be closed!


I mean, it would be nice to summarize just how much knowledge has evolved so that the obsolete government employees would be working while on public funding versus on this forum wasting our resources.