FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ di

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Should the government be in the position of choosing winners and losers utilizing everybody elses money to execute that agenda?
     
  2. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Who is picking winners and losers? There is a position open, two people apply. Both are qualified. Who should be given the priority? The person who will probably have an easier time finding a job elsewhere or the one who would not?
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then, you aren't going to admit that the sun will rise tomorrow until you see it. Gotcha.

    You can keep your life full of exciting events by refusing to anticipate the future.
    I'm not here to teach you to think better. That's your job, your choice. I just point out the obvious; you can believe whatever you want.
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is MORE qualified?

    That should be the basis for hiring.

    You want to start a company that only hires people with mental health issues, thats fine. It's not however ok to have these types of social experiments with agencies funded by tax payers.

    Everybody is some damn special group except straight Caucasian males. It's ridiculous.
     
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    THe problem here is that you have NOT "pointed out the obvious"

    There is no risk to passenger safety if the janitor at the FAA building in Tulsa OK has severe intellectual disabilities as long as he can do the job (and even if he CAN'T do the job, there is still no risk to passenger safety.)
     
  6. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's no risk to allowing kids in places where vital functions take place either. You just tell them "Never touch the red button".

    Some people work to learn, some work to avoid it. We didn't get into the mess the nations in because people got smarter- but because many thought there was no need, since they already knew everything.
    Years ago I taught advanced diving skills. While the premise looks easy- it's also a situation where you can make one mistake and be dead in minutes, without any warning or way to stop it. You have to know more than what sounds good. IF you lack the ability to understand the principles involved and precisely follow certain rules, you have no business doing it, handling gear or even hanging around the area. Even a janitor has to know certain things. If that person is cleaning the bathrooms with a product containing bleach and decides to boost the cleaning power by adding ammonia- he has just created a chemical reaction which produces a very dangerous poisonous gas. This is so potent that a person cleaning a cat litter box with bleach can wind up hospitalized with serious respiratory damage because of the reaction between the bleach and traces of ammonia in the litter box.

    Nobody is objecting to handicapped hiring people for jobs they can safely do. But that consideration has to include all the potential risks, and not depend on what sounds good and a person who tells themselves
    sh* t won't happen, so it's ok.

    The entire left seems to think that way.
     
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    2nd time, that's up to the FAA. But my compliments for your dismissal of people with disabilities. !!!
     
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    You think every job in FAA are “Air traffic controlling” or related to airline?

    Could you explain me how House keeper or the generator in FAA has some responsibility as “air traffic controller” or put people lives at risk?
     
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    And you have ZERO evidence that the potential risks are NOT considered. All you have is baseless accusations.
     
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    Evidence they aren't isn't evidence of anything. What is needed is evidence they are.
    We can look back at the Afghanistan withdrawel for example and realize the botched the job miserably. Hindsight is easier to understand than prudence and foresight, but vastly more expensive.
    I assume you drive down the road looking just 50 ft or so ahead, and tell yourself everything is under control.
     
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    If you are so knowledgeable on this, please tell us where the problem is, please be specific. I don't see a problem of hiring people with disabilities, it is being done throughout the world. What if the FAA was hiring combat vets with disabilities, would you still object.
     
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    So to heck with the combat vets that are now disabled, they certainly don't deserve a chance. !!!!
     
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    If there is no evidence that traveler safety is being put at risk then that IS evidence that traveler safety is not being put at risk. It may not be proof...but it's still better than your claim that traveler safety IS being put at risk.

    You're making all these assumptions....WITH NO EVIDENCE.

    How do you know that the FAA IS NOT "looking 50 ft or so ahead"? The Afghanistan withdrawal has absolutely ZERO to do with FAA hiring policies.

    Again, what you want is to make the Biden administration look bad. That's it. You are glomming onto the hiring policy of the FAA, not because there is any evidence of hiring practices are putting traveller safety at risk, but because you WANT the FAA hiring policy to put traveller safety at risk so you can then "blame the libs"
     
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    The FAA is not a private entity.

    They should be getting the best employees for the money allocated with my tax dollars.

    If its private, do what they want.
     
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    They should compete for the job based on qualifications like everybody else.

    Hint: everybody has attributed that take away from performance. Nobody is a perfect AI robot. Personality, perspective, disabilities, health issues, family obligations, financial problems, addictions, and even mental health. Why prioritize one over the other?
     
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    They may be the most qualified.

    Why would you assume they aren't?

    P.S. I'm a vet, so you aren't proving what you think you're proving here.
     
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    Second time.

    Should the FAA hire lower qualified people using tax payer dollars in you opinion?
     
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    The one who did better in the application process
     
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    Yet other disabled can't get a job, that's the very definition of discrimination.
     
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    There is more to it than that. There is the concept of "overqualified".

    If two people apply for a janitorial position and one has an intellectual disability and the other has a Master's in Mathematics. I'm sure the guy with the Masters probably did "better" than the guy with an intellectual disability but I'm still going to hire the guy with the disability. Why? Odds are the guy with the Masters is looking for a better job but needs something now. If I hire him because he "did better" then odds are in a few weeks I'm going to looking for someone again because he quit when he got the job as High School teacher.
     
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    Housekeeper. generator, gardener, receptionist don’t need to be “ the best money can buy”. If FAA is paying a housekeeper as much as Air Traffic controller, you the first one who would complain about your tax dollar mismanaged by FAA.
     
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    I'll note that you refuse to answer my simple question. That should be very telling about the confidence you have in your position.

    Were they not hired because they are disabled, or because they weren't the most qualified?
     
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    I did answer. !!!!
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where?

    Simple question you avoid:


    Should the FAA hire lower qualified people using tax payer dollars in you opinion?
     
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    #113 and #132 !!!!!

    Stop wasting my time !!!!!!!!
     

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