Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed by Bellingcat

My posting that article was in response to Papastox's post about the petition to declare Antifa a terrorist organization. Why, when far right ideologues have killed more people than leftist ideologues since 2008.

You're the one who brings up Fort Hood.

You're the one saying that Islamic terrorism has killed more, which the article does INDEED confirm and I never said otherwise.

So what precisely did you "rip apart"???

 

ANTIFA



ISIS



KKK

It's hard to tell the difference isn't it.

 

it is really more of a meme than a smear campaign and in fact it is an accurate meme.

True it was made by opponents of antifa which is not to say far right or fascist. Nor was it directed against anti fascists. Anti fascists are virtually everyone. Antifa is an organized fringe group of communists and opponents of constitutional rights.

Antifa has openly and repeatedly and consistently stated that initiating violence against fascists is morally ethically and legally acceptable. In addition antifa has openly and repeatedly and consistently stated that anyone disagreeing with their views on any level is a fascist or nazi. It therefore follows that if a woman voted for or supports the president then antifa condones and supports violently beating her.

This is the truth of what antifa stands for and what they believe in. The campaign is merely shedding light on their beliefs.

4chan is not far right either.

 

It was a meme created by opponents of antifa. It was fake but not false. It demonstrated clearly what they support and condone.

 

Sure, but if their biggest enemy, white cops, go in there a club them on TV, they can blame Trump and white cops as Fascists, and Fascist sympathizers....

 

Fascists and fascist fellow travelers smearing anti-fascists is hardly novel.

Targeting a lunatic fringe and pretending it is the norm is a time-honoured if tedious ploy.

Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans don't fall for the equivalency fallacy, are anti-fascist, and opposed to violent expression.

Even many among the residue of Trump fanatics feel uncomfortable with neo-nazi support of their proclaimed "Glorious Leader", I'm sure.

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So, mark you down as a antifa supporter? San Fran Nan will not like that. She has flipped but I guess you didn't get the memo.

 

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My source? The neo-nazi Daily Stormer that proclaimed Trump their "Glorious Leader."

Your source?

I suspect that yours is fake.

 

If it wasn't for the absence of moral clarity on your side of the aisle you wouldn't have this problem to complain about.

That absence of moral clarity began when the Left threw a temper tantrum over the President speaking the truth about the violent elements on BOTH sides of the barricades in Charlottesville on August 12 - an inconvenient truth that the Charlottesville Police chief pointed out himself.

The vast majority of Americans reject political violence, regardless of whether it is committed by alt-right neo-Nazis and Kluckers or alt-Left anarchists and ANSWERniks. There may be moral and intellectual pygmies on the Left who actually believe that the violent extremists on the alt-Left are somehow better than the violent extremists on the right alt-Right, but the vast majority of Americans reject their lack of moral clarity, too. In the case of the "anti-fascist" groups who are no different than the fascists they claim to oppose, your whining about "equivalency fallacies" just falls on deaf ears:

While Democrats, the LW MSM and "progressives" in general have made a towering spectacle of their lack of moral clarity by refusing to denounce the violence committed by their comrades on the Left and the groups that perpetrate that violence, perhaps there is hope after the most recent explosion of "anti-fascist" violence in Berkeley, some "progressives" and Democrats are finally waking from their moral slumber.

KTVU anchor: 'I experienced hate firsthand' at Berkeley rally
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/KTVU-anchor-I-experienced-hate-first-hand-at-12071055.php

Nancy Pelosi Releases a Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

It's unacceptable that it has taken the Left this long to finally start denouncing alt-Left violence and the hate groups that are responsible for that violence, but hopefully it's a start...

 

Wow, exactly when did the President say he was their "glorious leader"? The President or any politician has a say in who proclaims him their glorious leader. He has denounced them and that is all any pol can do. My source is my eyes, it's all over the media, take a gander through your partisan eyes. Only fascist beat people with clubs, bicycle locks to bring you around to their way of thinking. Keep defending them, looks good on you, NOT.

 

Violence should be condemned, regardless of its source, but when fanatical Trumpers need to label as "the Left" members of their messiah's own cabinet, including those who seriously consider resignation over his mealy-mouthed, namby-pamby contrivance of equivalency (that won praise from no less a beneficiary that Grand Imperial Wizard Duke), the Republican Congressional leadership, and other elected conservatives, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CEOs of America's leading corporations, religious leaders, and most decent folks, they define themselves as an alienated ilk with an extremist, warped view of America.

 

His source is the real world - there's nothing fake about it.

By the way, tell your "anti-fascist" friends that they're even less convincing running around in black shirts. Since they don't have the courage to show their faces I would recommend switching to this color:

 

There's your problem - the Left has not been condemning the violence and the groups responsible for it. It threw a temper tantrum when the President spoke the truth and reiterated the assessment of the Charlottesville chief of police who stated that BOTH sides were responsible for the violence and demanded a pass for the Leftists who participated in it.

To make matters worse, in their abject lack of moral clarity, many "progressives" have tried to pretend that the violent alt-Left blackshirts they're futilely attempting to shield from criticism and accountability are somehow different and better than the fascists they claim to oppose. Some of these moral and intellectual pygmies have even gone so far as to take the decidedly unAmerican position that the violence committed by their alt-Left champions is legitimate, which is flatly contradicted not only by the U.S. Constitution, federal, state and local laws but by the position of the majority of Americans who believe that this violence is never acceptable and legitimate.

 

Indeed.
Leftists who refuse to specifically condemn the antifa terrorists and their use of violence to suppress free speech, by their own standards, can only be held to agree with and support such people and their acts.

 

sounds like a call for vigilante murder

 

I see a glimmer of hope here. Are you beginning to realize, like me, that there are people on both sides that might be lying about the associations on the other?

 

Antifa/Occupoo are their main voters.

 

Did you consider it murder when Jews fought back in the Warsaw uprising ?
Similarly, the antifa thugs will have a similar response if they continue with their violence against innocent Americans. You seem to be apologizing for antifa violence - why is that ?

 

The left's vehement defense of that left wing lunatic fringe is, of course, no problem for you.

 

The black panthers had great words about Obama. Does that make him a racist thug ?

 

B-b-b-but "false equivalency"!

 

Well, it's perfectly okay for "progressives" to buddy-up with groups called The Race...

 

The feared "antifa" must have had neo-nazis, ku klux klan, and other white supremacists weeing their unmentionables when a few dozen of the sacrificial lambs were surrounded by tens of thousands of the savage hoards in Boston.

Bloody-curdling tales emerged:

Wow. That was chilling.

Unspeakable depravity. Wow.

Fortunately, no "antifa" lethal terrorists drove automobiles into any crowds of folks, however modest in number.

 

Hmm, yeah, a counter demonstration against free speech. You must be proud.