FBI is a politiced institution. There is no doubt.

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  1. Trixare4kids

    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    Moot point.
    "Former President Donald Trump and his allies say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been declassified."

    The operative word is had.

    Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts say it's unclear whether that will hold up. (nbcnews.com)
     
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    If that were true, then the FBI would not have raided him, the judge would not have signed the warrant, and this would not be happening.

    Physics, and reality don't back up that claim.

    Now, what the experts are unclear about is whether a former president can retroactively declassify stuff based on his word alone. That's a lawyers job based on the precedent that never before in our history have we had such a buffoon as a former president that would allow this to happen.

    Hence their words "would hold up". Because guess what, Trump made this a felony. Meaning the FBI had no choice but to act because they had no documentation he had the right to have those materials.
     
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    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    I believe my article stated the above theory...

    What's unclear is why the FBI, (three agents and one higher up official) did not remove what they now view as classified information from his home in June when Trump was subpoenaed. Don't you also wonder about these things?
     
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    Not really, its most likely because they didn't have the proper warrant to remove them. So they went and got it.
     
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    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    They could have taken them then. No warrant necessary. The June subpoena was for the FBI to view the records. Trump completely complied with them. He would have had no problem with them taking something they viewed as classified information. Instead, they told him to put a padlock on the storage room. He did.

    IMHO, the August RAID was a set-up. More to come from this sad saga eventually...
     
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    Didn't we just go over the FBI learning their lesson about assuming people would have no problem complying when Hillary scrubbed her servers or what ever mishap happened?
    Most likely when that agent got back to base, his superior flipped out and said "WTF why didnt you get that stuff!". They called Trump, he said FU, and now we are at current events.

    The whole time Bidens dealing with Russia and everything else.
     
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    Your speculation is noted.
     
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    Heh, its funny, cause I was gonna write the same thing, but ya know. I didnt.
     
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    Just another Trump self inflicted wound.
     
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    In order for a President to declassify a document the President must make a request to do so in writing and therefore should be a written record of all documents declassified by the President. This should be easy to check and should be done as it has an effect on the outcome of the issue.

    "First, a U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.

    It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.

    Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-records/
     
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    Fake News. Support your claim that the Congress can impose procedures on the constitutional authority of the Commander In Chief without the concurrence of 38 state legislatures. It doesn't exist. Those claims were merely a pretext so that they could toss his house in the (what appears to be vain, given the lack of crowing) hope that they would come up with some kind of a Smoking gun on J6. And don't waste too much time on running down these supposed restrictions, my point is so clearly correct that I can confidently predict that Trump will not be charged with mishandling classified information because they would promptly lose and that would add to the case law and too perfectly reveal their underhandedness and record it in caselaw.

    Furthermore: General Warrants are constitutionally forbidden in our Constitutional Liberal Democracy as an incredible abuse of power and a fundamental violation of the liberties such a warrant would attack. If this warrant isn't a general warrant, and I think it could be, it's as close as you are going to get to one. That they would go to this line, if not cross it, tells you all you need to know about these politicized folks that are in serious need of Congressional Oversight which is inherent in the Impeachment Power, but will require a GOP congress. Now you may protest this, but, it's to your favor. Without this investigation and oversight, the precedents they have used against Trump will be used against future former office holders, and they will include folks you identify with. It would greatly weaken our long tradition of peaceful transfer of power, if each new Administration then loosed federal agents on former office holders and their associates and tried to jail them. Papa Bush was wise to completely shut down the Special Prosecutor that was investigating the Reagan Administration that clearly thought this was a career and as long as he kept finding folks to prosecute that he would forever enjoy those extremely profitable billing hours.

    Better a thorough Church-Like Committee to get to the bottom of all this, than a future Trump Administration loosing these same forces against retired Biden and Obama Administrations.

    So I predict that the fools 'experts' that are feeding you this nonsense that he will be charged with mishandling classified documents, will at some point start moving the goalposts, claiming that this is 'actually' about the Presidential Records Act as if it has been magically transformed into "a criminal statute — unlike the statute that Congress actually enacted."

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/andrew-mccarthy-comments.php

    They searched Melania's drawers for concealed nuclear secrets, do you guys have any self-awareness?

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    I'm sorry, there's an entire forum of your posts that prove you don't know squat. That makes you a 1% of his peanut gallery, but not much else.
     
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    And yet, no one is addressing WTF did he need these documents for at Mara Lago?
     
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    I'm going to assume he was planning to put a lot of the material in his library. There were a lot of newspaper clippings and photos among documents.
     
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    So he can declassify documents and not inform anyone. That makes no sense. I believe the law says documents are declassified once he informs someone. Why would you be opposed to confirming the documents were declassified?
     
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    There is a PROCESS for that, which he did not do!
     
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    Not worried

    :flagcanada:s would get stopped
    by wondering which end to lite.


    Moi
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    i'm not sure that dog sleds make great delivery systems.
     
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    If so, and if charges are brought, the burden is on the prosecutor to prove he willingly ignored the PROCESS.
     
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    I only mentioned Seagal to ID the movie which has this total nutbar who loved the Road Runner. Was he ever chummy with Putin?
     
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    Bull, he's selling nuclear secrets to Putin. Deny it all you want he's a ****** Russian spy
     
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    run by a Trump pick?
     
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    And you really think they made this move without proof?

    That's a pretty weak defense there, Trix.
     
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    Well since he had unilateral unfettered ability to declassify anything that fell under the executive branch that he wanted while he was the executive he could have just declassified it all before he put it there.
     
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    Do you actually buy into the narrative that Trump is anti-establishment?
     

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